Carltonus Posted January 1, 2021 Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) The Spartans Above: King Leonidas and his "Battle Frenzy" upgrade Above: General Brasidas (left), Admiral Lysander (right) Above: Unused hero Agis III (left), Cleomenes III (right) Note: I might add Agesilaus as a 5th selectable hero and use the left-hand portrait Above: Queen Gorgo (left), Spartan Female Citizen (right) Above: Priest-Healer (left), Helots/Slaves (right) Edited August 7, 2023 by wowgetoffyourcellphone Image fixes 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carltonus Posted January 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted January 1, 2021 (edited) Suggest a two subfaction system in which will be split into Traditional and Reformed, like the Seleucids in Alpha 23 but better. For the Traditional, the player should choose Leonidas, Brasidas, or Lysander as their main hero; the Reformed Cleomenes and the fifth hero (Nabis?) Traditional units Perioikoi hoplite Helot skirmisher Helot slinger Perioikoi podromoi Skiritai hoplite/swordsman Spartan hoplites, two can promote to Olympic champions Theurophoros skirmisher → Celto-Iberian skirmisher Thorakites → Lucanian/Celto-Iberian swordsman Mercenaries: Symmachoi (allied) hoplite Symmachoi cavalry (spear or lance) Cretan archer Reformed units Reformed Spartan phalangite Skiritai skirmisher Skiritai swordsman Tarantine cavalry Reformed Spartan hoplite, can promote to Royal Spartan hoplite? Gastraphetes Mercenaries: Symmachoi theurophoros spearman Symmachoi cavalry (spear or lance) Cretan archer Symmachoi thorakites swordsman That way, the shift from perioikoi citizenship makes sense and there are no longer two kinds of pikemen. If still insisting on the citizen/champion pikemen paradigm, then instead of "Perioikoi" and "Spartan", how about "Reformed Spartan Phalangite" and "Thorakites Phalangite"? Elite gets 1/3 chance to wear a cape. Anything else? Edited January 4, 2021 by Carltonus More ideas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Queen Gorgo, now trainable if you choose Leonidas as your hero. She has a number of "homeland" benefits and can only be trained once (as opposed to 5 times for your selected hero). 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Hero selection for Sparta. Need techs for Lysander and Cleomenes. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Queen Gorgo would be an interesting addition to Spartans and make them a stronger civ than they currently are. However, I would recommend you to change the model of Gorgo slightly so that it is easier to distinguish her from an average female citizen. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 6 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: Queen Gorgo would be an interesting addition to Spartans and make them a stronger civ than they currently are. However, I would recommend you to change the model of Gorgo slightly so that it is easier to distinguish her from an average female citizen. I did struggle at first on how to distinguish her actor from the others. This is what she looks like next to the standard Spartan female citizen: If it was more historical to give her a shield and spear, I would, but that's more the realm of Hollywood, sadly. Boudicca, Tomyris, and Amanirenas are really our only good bets for martial female heroes. Artemisia, a naval hero for Persians perhaps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 52 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: However, I would recommend you to change the model of Gorgo slightly so that it is easier to distinguish her from an average female citizen. Another thought would be to give her "exercise" idle animations. Spartan women were the only Greek women allowed ritualized exercise as the men did. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted April 19, 2021 Report Share Posted April 19, 2021 Maybe she could have a white dress red highlights ? Or the converse. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Yekaterina Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Do you think we can swap her red dress with some linothorax armour? Also we can give her a helmet and a weapon of some sort. Maybe an archer infantry hero? Spartans don't have archers and a single hero could make a difference. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 7 hours ago, Yekaterina said: Do you think we can swap her red dress with some linothorax armour? Also we can give her a helmet and a weapon of some sort. She could look a little like Athena. Maybe that could be her upgrade. 7 hours ago, Yekaterina said: Maybe an archer infantry hero? Spartans don't have archers and a single hero could make a difference. Capture a factional merc camp. Spartans get Cretan Archers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 3 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: 11 hours ago, Yekaterina said: She could look a little like Athena. Maybe that could be her upgrade. Are there any records of armoured female spartan soldiers? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 6, 2021 Report Share Posted June 6, 2021 19 minutes ago, Stan` said: Are there any records of armoured female spartan soldiers? No, only a few instances of Spartan women rising to the occasion to defend the homeland. For instance, after the Spartan army was defeated by Pyrrhus of Epirus, the defeated Spartan men rested that night while the Spartan women built a palisade around the city to fend off Pyrrhus' army the next day. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ceres Posted September 5, 2021 Report Share Posted September 5, 2021 https://www.worldhistory.org/Gorgo_of_Sparta/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 5, 2023 Report Share Posted August 5, 2023 Above: King Leonidas and his "Battle Frenzy" upgrade Above: General Brasidas (left), Admiral Lysander (right) Above: Unused hero Agis III (left), Cleomenes III (right) Note: I might add Agesilaus as a 5th selectable hero and use the left-hand portrait Above: Queen Gorgo (left), Spartan Female Citizen (right) Above: Priest-Healer (left), Helots/Slaves (right) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted September 5, 2023 Report Share Posted September 5, 2023 Gorgo is a secondary hero trainable after selecting Leonidas as your primary hero and researching Royal Marriage. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/01/sparta-300-warriors-history-slavery.html A good write up addressing the modern obsession with Sparta. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 4 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2024/01/sparta-300-warriors-history-slavery.html A good write up addressing the modern obsession with Sparta. Collections: This. Isn’t. Sparta. Part I: Spartan School – A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry (acoup.blog) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ShadowOfHassen Posted January 22 Report Share Posted January 22 1 hour ago, Genava55 said: Collections: This. Isn’t. Sparta. Part I: Spartan School – A Collection of Unmitigated Pedantry (acoup.blog) While both of those articles are pushing against a romanticized version of Sparta, something that is to be applauded. I wouldn't recommend taking what they say as the gospel truth. According to my research, Sparta was probably somewhere between the two extremes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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