wackyserious Posted March 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Updated it. @Imarok The long-sleeved tunics are set to player color 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 Just my opinion: I actually love all the variation in colour, and I'm personally not the biggest fan of reducing too much variation for the sake of readability. Historicity is one of the biggest selling points of this game (as well as detail in the art and variation in units). There are many ways of finding out which units belong to who, and I hardly have difficulties differentiating between them. There are 13 civs and 8 player is the max number of players, so you should be differentiating units based on which civilisation they belong to. Alternatively, the mini-map clearly shows colour, and simply clicking a unit will also give you all of the info you need. Also epic battles were often quite chaotic, ending in all out brawls with fighters from all sides running all over the place, which is also a big part of the fun and immersion. You never really know for sure who has the upper hand until the very end, which also adds to the excitement 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 51 minutes ago, Sundiata said: Just my opinion: I actually love all the variation in colour, and I'm personally not the biggest fan of reducing too much variation for the sake of readability. Historicity is one of the biggest selling points of this game (as well as detail in the art and variation in units). There are many ways of finding out which units belong to who, and I hardly have difficulties differentiating between them. There are 13 civs and 8 player is the max number of players, so you should be differentiating units based on which civilisation they belong to. Alternatively, the mini-map clearly shows colour, and simply clicking a unit will also give you all of the info you need. Also epic battles were often quite chaotic, ending in all out brawls with fighters from all sides running all over the place, which is also a big part of the fun and immersion. You never really know for sure who has the upper hand until the very end, which also adds to the excitement I don't really disagree with you, it's all down to perspective. Depending on the game's target priorities, there needs to be a choice on the balance between realism and readability, which is especially valid for (competitive) multiplayer, where it's very helpful to rapidly indentify unit types. Plus I sometimes tend to favor the later for some aspects because not everyone playing such games is a history buff and colours for units are largely guesswork (even if often an educated one). I doubt many people will see the game as ahistorical if it has the most plausible armor/clothing, but not in the most plausible colour palette. But then again I can see this approach as immersion breaking for some people like you said. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 (edited) If you dull the colors a bit then these might be alright with battalions. Edit: Oops I didn't see the next page. Edited March 18, 2018 by wowgetoffyourcellphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted March 18, 2018 Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 @Prodigal Son I understand your point too, and you're right colours are often guess-work.. It's about finding the right balance between the two. I think Wackyserious' last screenshot shows a nice compromise, although dulling the colours, like wow says would also do the trick imo. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 18, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 18, 2018 @stanislas69 Reduced the saturation a bit and added more white area to the linothorax. As suggested by @Prodigal Son and @wowgetoffyourcellphone Spoiler 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Leaving the beige version for the Egyptian Pikeman, right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Beige and the white ones as suggested by @Prodigal Son and the others. What about the purple dyed ones and the red dyed linothorax? I've seen several illustrations depicting linothorax dyed purple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Purple would be more for the Somatophylakes and other close "philoi" of the King. Purple was a very expensive dye, created by pulverizing crustaceans pulled from the sea off of the coast of Phoenicia. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 6 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Purple would be more for the Somatophylakes and other close "philoi" of the King. Purple was a very expensive dye, created by pulverizing crustaceans pulled from the sea off of the coast of Phoenicia. Now that's a "Did you know ?" I like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 4 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Purple would be more for the Somatophylakes and other close "philoi" of the King. Purple was a very expensive dye, created by pulverizing crustaceans pulled from the sea off of the coast of Phoenicia. Not crustaceans (crabs, lobsters, and shrimps), but sea snails. Also, the our modern word “purple” is very limited; the purple dye could actually generate a whole spectrum of shades from pink to red to brown and everything in between. The darker the colour, the more dye was required, so a black robe would be even more expensive than a faintly purple one. Other very expensive dyes in Antiquity, besides Tyrian purple, were: carmine (crimson, scarlet), probably originating in Armenia, made from Kermes and related beetle scales, which produced intensely bright shades of red; nowadays it's still used for cardinal robes and red M&Ms. saffron, possibly originating in Greece, made from flower threads, which produced warm golden shades of yellow; it was and still is very important in Greater Persia/Iran indigo, won independently in several areas around the world, including India, produced from flowers of the Indigofera plants, which produced shades of blue; jeans are coloured with (synthetic) indigo today On the other hand, there were many other cheap, widely available, and locally produced dyes, such as charcoal, henna, ochre, ox blood, woad, etc. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 (edited) @stanislas69 Another variant Edit: Added some combat gear (straps) Edit: Replaced scales Spoiler Edited March 19, 2018 by wackyserious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Can you try to improve those scales ? They look low quality compared to the rest @wackyserious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Edited the post, replaced them with the scales used for the Persians and the Kushites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted March 19, 2018 Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 Yeah better So which armor for whom I kinda lost track @wackyserious Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 19, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 19, 2018 These three for the Ptolemaic Royal Agema Spoiler Not sure what to do with these two though Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son Posted March 20, 2018 Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 17 hours ago, wackyserious said: These three for the Ptolemaic Royal Agema Reveal hidden contents It might be nice to mix in a variation of the 2nd and 3rd, with the white shoulders on the bronze armor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 20, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 20, 2018 @Prodigal Son Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 I found this technique nique to enrichment your textures.specially user cloud render and noise. Spoiler https://www.photoshopessentials.com/photo-effects/old-paper/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Prodigal Son Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 13 hours ago, wackyserious said: @Prodigal Son Hide contents Nice I think this might look better on the model than the full bronze one and provide an intermediate between the bronze and linen ones so they'll mix better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted March 21, 2018 Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 So which ones should I use for champion pikemen ? ( Sorry I'm sick and my concentration is limited) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 On 3/19/2018 at 8:08 PM, Nescio said: saffron, possibly originating in Greece, made from flower threads, which produced warm golden shades of yellow; it was and still is very important in Greater Persia/Iran indigo, won independently in several areas around the world, including India, produced from flowers of the Indigofera plants, which produced shades of blue; jeans are coloured with (synthetic) indigo today On the other hand, there were many other cheap, widely available, and locally produced dyes, such as charcoal, henna, ochre, ox blood, woad, etc. @Prodigal Son It is actually still a linothorax, just dyed in a shade of yellow I've seen several illustrations where the linothorax was dyed yellow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 21, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2018 Take some rest @stanislas69 So here's the final set? @Prodigal Son Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted March 22, 2018 Author Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 (edited) @stanislas69 HELLENISTIC THUREOPHOROI Kausia cap (Player color) Spoiler Basic rank (Sleeveless and sandals) I recommend you use the m_armor mesh variant Spoiler Basic rank (With sleeves and boots) Spoiler Advanced and elite ranks Spoiler Edited March 22, 2018 by wackyserious 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 22, 2018 Report Share Posted March 22, 2018 Excellent work breh. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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