Release 28 Branch

[Fabius]

14 minutes ago, Classic-Burger said:

One civ per release. The Scythians could be next. But the Germans must be finished.

I see, thanks for the clarification

[Carltonus]

3 hours ago, Vantha said:

Please be more respectful and appreciative of other people's work. The addition of the Germans was certainly not rushed; the pull request was open since well before the release of A27 and being reviewed for a full year before merged.

Sorry, meant no disrespect there, just so much concern; this is unlike the process with the Han civilization, which took at least double that time after about a decade in the making. A case of bad timing or coming late to the party, so I see... my share has been accounted for.

3 hours ago, Vantha said:

 the portraits

My disagreement stems from that I forgot to add "Hero"; someone might notice the departure from the norm, as with the Han counterparts, Cleopatra, or those since Alpha 24. Still awaiting a volunteer for Candragupta...

Anyway, the game breaks if setting at least one player with the German civilization:

 Has anybody also noticed that the select sounds like Ti estis, Quid ests, and Salaams as well as for buildings etc. lost the pitch differences?

[Classic-Burger]

1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

Sorry, meant no disrespect there, just so much concern; this is unlike the process with the Han civilization

Han took years to develop.And yet it is not complete today.

 

The main idea dates back to 2010.

https://aom.heavengames.com/cgi-bin/forums/display.cgi?action=st&fn=15&tn=28877

And debit in its own mod around 2014.

https://www.moddb.com/mods/rise-of-the-east

 

Edited yesterday at 19:08 by Classic-Burger

[real_tabasco_sauce]

1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

6 hours ago, Vantha said:

 the portraits

My disagreement stems from that I forgot to add "Hero"; someone might notice the departure from the norm, as with the Han counterparts, Cleopatra, or those since Alpha 24. Still awaiting a volunteer for Candragupta...

How are the German hero portraits a departure from the norm?

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

"Bad developers you made a civ too fast, it should at least take a decade!"

[Classic-Burger]

Even this civ has taken time and will take more time.

 

This is supposed to be a civilization based on the Germanic tribes that attacked the Roman Republic.

We weren't even sure about the name. On one hand, Teutons or Cimbri.

We don't even agree with the marvel/wonder.

 

The current civ is as generic as the Celts were years ago and as the Iberians still are.

[Vantha]

21 hours ago, Carltonus said:

Anyway, the game breaks if setting at least one player with the German civilization:

 

 

Note: This has already been fixed on the release branch. The Germans will be actually playable in the next release candidate.

[Carltonus]

20 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

How are the German hero portraits a departure from the norm?

Did not want to name names that time, but since Alpha 24 most of the hero portraits were updated thanks to volunteers such as @m7600 (no longer with us, but mention remains at the thread below) and @kul. The rest are just putting the new sky-blue background.

No offense, but the current German counterparts are like going back to antiquity with modern sugarcoating.

21 hours ago, Classic-Burger said:

Han took years to develop.And yet it is not complete today.

The main idea dates back to 2010 and debit in its own mod around 2014.

Point proven; little information to add. What have you been contributing to the Han civilization lately? Appreciate the extra hands towards that "completion"...

20 hours ago, BreakfastBurrito_007 said:

it should at least take a decade

Don't take it seriously; unlike this time, there weren't things like Gendered Citizens and messy code back then that compromised the release of Alpha 26. Few more years and everyone wouldn't mind another faction added; this is a blatant departure in the name of balance.

19 hours ago, Classic-Burger said:

The current civ is as generic as the Celts were years ago and as the Iberians still are.

Honest opinion, Germanic needs not to divide into separate Cimbris and Teutons; early Suebi elements could be integrated. Iberians are another story.

I must protest that the current Roman civilization situation is worse. Don't even want to know where to start, the insertion of auxiliaries after promoting elite Roman and Social cavalry?

[real_tabasco_sauce]

12 minutes ago, Carltonus said:

No offense, but the current German counterparts are like going back to antiquity with modern sugarcoating

But what about the German heroes is inconsistent with the norm?

you didn’t answer my question.

[Classic-Burger]

19 minutes ago, Carltonus said:

Honest opinion, Germanic needs not to divide into separate Cimbris and Teutons; early Suebi elements could be integrated. Iberians are another story.

You know that this early will be the basis of all future Germanic civs, right?

Goths.

Suebians

Marcomani

Etc ..

They are like the Greeks in the second part.

 

[Classic-Burger]

26 minutes ago, Carltonus said:

Point proven; little information to add. What have you been contributing to the Han civilization lately? Appreciate the extra hands towards that "completion"...

Don't you know what it's missing? You need to check at Gitea more.

[Carltonus]

40 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

But what about the German heroes is inconsistent with the norm?

Still don't get it? The German hero portraits are like the usual actor units in idle but zoomed-in; notice the gear are apparent in Teutobod and Boiroix's cases. To spare checking the Gitea .pngs I made a Wiki article on the civilization with headers. Before replacing them with artificial intelligence @wowgetoffyourcellphone used to do this with some the lesser-known Greek factions. These for Aristedes and Militiades, as examples.

58 minutes ago, Classic-Burger said:

Goths, Suebians, Marcomani

Stick to the 500-1 BC timeframe and try not to drag those after...

Also, avoid double-posting; there is an "Edit" button at the three dots on top-left corner of the post.

[Deicide4u]

Just a quick feedback post on this release, since I see there is a heated discussion around the quality of some art. I do still lurk here, at times.

1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

Did not want to name names that time, but since Alpha 24 most of the hero portraits were updated thanks to volunteers such as @m7600 (no longer with us, but mention remains at the thread below) and @kul. The rest are just putting the new sky-blue background.

Correct, I've noticed the departure from A23's quality portraits in later releases. Especially (some) hero portraits.

24 minutes ago, Carltonus said:

Still don't get it? The German hero portraits are like the usual actor units in idle but zoomed-in; notice the gear are apparent in Teutobod and Boiroix's cases.

I don't mind people doing this, as long as the coloring is "right". But, that is a quite difficult thing to do, which is seen in most of the German unit portraits.

That said, @Carltonus, you shouldn't expect a lot out of the project that is done by a handful of volunteers in their spare time. I'm sure all of them love this game, and would be happy to work on improving things over time.

Someone mentioned Han as another example of an "unfinished" civilization. I don't know, I think the Han need only a better Ram and Siege Tower models. Everything else looks fine to me.

On the topic of "yet another civilization". My idea that the game doesn't need to encompass each and every civilization from the target time period. Having only major civilizations at their best (like Romans, Persians, Greeks, Carthaginians, etc.) would have been a better end option.

1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

I must protest that the current Roman civilization situation is worse. Don't even want to know where to start, the insertion of auxiliaries after promoting elite Roman and Social cavalry?

Late Roman republic had Legionaries.

1 hour ago, Carltonus said:

unlike this time, there weren't things like Gendered Citizens and messy code

Gendered Citizens should have been introduced a looooong time ago.
Having specifically female workers in a ancient war game is beyond strange, to say the least.

And with this, I leave you. Looking forward to the release of A28.

[Classic-Burger]

3 minutes ago, Deicide4u said:

. I do still lurk here

We knew it.

[Perzival12]

50 minutes ago, Deicide4u said:

Just a quick feedback post on this release, since I see there is a heated discussion around the quality of some art. I do still lurk here, at times.

The zombie walks!