PyrrhicVictoryGuy

This can only be said for the theban contingent, I don't there enough historical evidences to make the case for carthage

Well I copy pasted the content from the in game helmet, heIe_boeotian.xml plus the hair prop from hele_boeotian_g3.xml since the were what I used.

So I used the boeotian helmet prop and the plume prop to make a new plumed boeotian helmet. After putting the new .dae and .xml files in the right places the atals still gives me this wonky message:

True even with the development of the thorakitai shock contigents, the sarissa armies were prevalent. The truth is that the pike formation is the offensive evolution of the phalanx as the greeks at this point in time were not concerned over defending their farmlands but dreamed of empires. In game we can't have that of course. Even rome defaulted to spear and shield.

Well I was under the impression that the syntagma was developed specifically to beat the traditional greek phalanx. Even the later sucessors relied almost solely on the pikemen at the expense of their cavalry, this wouldn't have happened if the pikemen were simply a meatshield. And that's the problem with putting troops of different times in the same bag. Comparing a tradicional greek or thureos phalanx to a mac phalanx is like comparing a flintlock pistol to an LMG.

@Carltonus oh ok thanks.

Well I was looking into bringing to 0Ad the concept and function of the unit really. In game if you put the pikes in defensive stance and on a syntagama then the second row of pikemen attack too. But this is just not pratical thats why proposed to give them more range but make the less of damage sponges. Of course copying the unit from aoe2 wouldn't work .

Guys historically pikes are comparable to a road roller but we can't have that in the game. The issue here is they are too spongy right? Is this really that bad? If so then look no further than the AOE II unit "kamayuk", lightly armoured but with a very pronounced ranged adantage.

I though the formations, specially the phalanx and syntagma, didn't work properly if your units were in any other stance other than defensive.

Shouldn't the greeks,edgys and norse be first civs to be developed ?

See the spy form AOE3

Is the ptolemaic merc jav cav still using the odrysian cav actor?

I say first we need to think what other role this extra unit could fit into, then we propose changes. Kate's proposal ain't bad for a start, even if a little extreme.

Brilliant idea ....that i completely forgot to add, oops! It will be there no worries

The design document has been updated, making it the 5 iteration. It now includes a tech tree, more reference images for the unit roster as well as the hero roster and further elaborates on the unique technologies.

Who would know that a spiteful comment, made almost a year ago would generate such a fuss.

Oh thats neat, but i though egys used bows on their chariots , that's why I specified the Myceneans or Achaeans.

PSssss, if anyone were to make a bronze age mod then you'd have an excuse to make Achaean chariot javalineers shoot while moving....

Well the easiest way to make missile infantry reckt them is to give them a dmg multiplier.... but i know that this type of solution is not favoured by the comunity.

Nam PTSD intensifies....

His smug appearance mocks me

You're brilliant mate!! Would it be possible to make the hoplite unit something like this?

This a hunch but slowing their speed so that spear cav beats them by 0.5 meters a second plus innacuracy might just be enough. Afterall we want people to actually use these.

But there is a problem with that, I mean someone had to make these models, textures etc... And it would be really bad to throw their work in the garbage, so that is why I think nobody will ever agree to mess with the rosters.

How would one counter these units? Wouldn't they be frustrating to go against? Total war has it so foot archers counter these mounted troops while other RTS have units like these that are made of paper...