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Thorfinn the Shallow Minded

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  1. Sadly as far as I'm aware that approach is ahistorical. During the battle of Raphia it seems that there were some Libyan horsemen deployed during the Battle of Raphia; Libya, or Cyrenaica was part of Ptolemaic territory and thus would be a much better option for citizen cavalry (they probably used javelins).
  2. Great work. I think that you could just have a placeholder hellenistic settler cavalry unit using Macedonian assets. I would go for it being melee myself, but that's just my thought. Something like that is the intention to her. In fairness my shtick is just having camel mercenaries be mercenaries. I think that seeing what a faction without citizen soldier cavalry would be an intriguing concept that is worth seeing in action, but I don't mind compromising.
  3. I would definitely like to see this tested to see what others think after some matches. Then I think we can properly establish whether this admittedly unorthodox setup could work or not. Do you think that you could make a mod for these changes to see what happens? The concerns that people have voiced might be quite valid, but I would note that I and others did mention a few options to compensate for the Ptolemaic early game. Maybe it will be crippling nerf, but simply defending the status quo because it has made for a cornerstone of the meta is not a valid point. It's the dependence on cavalry in the early game economy that makes strange things like Sparta beginning with cavalry rather than say... a Spartan a thing. If this could work, it might allow for us to experiment with other more unique starting conditions that could diversify the civilisation roster.
  4. If you're talking about the classic 1st century legionnaire, there actually is; just check the atlas editor.
  5. The thing is that Greek mercenaries were a common thing. Greeks hired them, as did Persians. Obviously you could add other notable mercenary leaders that were not Greek; I only mention Greeks because Hellenic studies is kind of my thing. That said, heroes do not require factions to exist. Xenophon is an example of this.
  6. Pyrrhus would also be a great addition by far. Honestly I'm not sure how much this sort of a option would be enjoyed as a staple to the game, but I could definitely see it introduced either as a mod or an alternate game mode.
  7. I would argue for either Kimon or Miltiades; we're thinking about the Athenian golden age, and that generally constrains us to the Persian or the Peloponnesian Wars. I could see a reason behind using Solon although his role would potentially overlap with Pericles to an extent. Xenophon would frankly be an awful choice; he was more sympathetic to Sparta than Athens. I do think think that heroes like him however would be interesting to have as mercenary heroes that could be recruited along with the likes of Memnon and Clearchus. Xenophon should be represented as a cavalry hero though, not an infantry one. I'm not particularly familiar with Ptolemaic history to weigh in on a suitable replacement for Cleopatra, but I'm sure something could be found.
  8. I have definitely argued against his inclusion; it is in conflict with the central point of the game, controlling civilisations during their apex. There are much better choices than him. Lysander could be an option, but he doesn't really reflect the core Spartan ethos. I would much rather argue for Agesilaus II. Other heroes I would say should be replaced include Iphicrates and Cleopatra, neither of which represent the golden ages of their factions.
  9. I don't really see it as such. It's just a double-click. You're not opening some new tab or searching the ui for a button or even pressing a different hotkey. This I can definitely agree with.
  10. I would say that a simple double click would do the job a lot better. Double-click and your unit starts running provided that it has stamina. Once its stamina is spent, it cannot continue running. Obviously stamina could be extended to make the act of attacking even drain stamina and have a unit being idle regenerate stamina at a faster rate, but I digress.
  11. Additionally it would be nice to have more coherent borders for territories. This is purely arbitrary preference, but I would find a map done in the style of Ptolemy's description of the world to be a fun idea. This is obviously not the original, but it would be a fun representation.
  12. A key issue here is that at least according to the original vision running and walking could be toggled similarly to a Total War game, eating away at a stamina bar. Introducing this feature along with charging is something planned at least to my knowledge, but in the meantime we only have a very awkward iteration.
  13. I did read it, which is why I think that it is viable and worthwhile to make camel archers mercenaries. Clearly it will take some time to figure out the mercenary meta, but that problem alone should not discourage the developers from experimenting by making a mercenary in name be actually a mercenary.
  14. As long as the opponent doesn't open with rams, I doubt that this would be a serious issue. It seems that generally everyone is about as close as we can hope for regarding stats. Taking any one of these suggestions and seeing them in action would be the next step to seeing how this would affect gameplay over a series of test matches.
  15. I'm glad that people are receptive to the idea of a farm bonus. Regarding the mercenaries, I do not want to eliminate the possibility of a rush; rather, it would merely change into something I would argue would be even more unique and diverse, both of which I would assume would be good things while hopefully providing a nerf making it less frustrating. This sort of change would make the rush somewhat unsustainable as it would require heavy metal usage, but the units themselves would be higher quality than typical citizen soldier counterparts. What sounds to be the bigger problem in this case is the state of mercenaries more than anything else. As things are tweaked for the eventual alpha 26, I suspect that we will be able to better consider this proposal.
  16. Okay. That's a perfectly fair point to bring up; it seems that there were misunderstandings on both sides. Good question; honestly I have never bothered trying to think about cavalry from wholistic perspective with scouts in mind. Mainly, I just dislike the fact that a large number of cavalry can be fielded at all in the village phase. Cavalry tended to be the social elite, and maybe making them even higher quality at the cost of lowering the quantity would be the way to go. As we both seem to agree, that topic is another can of worms. Again, I was mainly bringing up those points for a different purpose, i.e. stating that the historical inaccuracies inherent to scout cavalry is not necessarily in conflict with the game's stated theme. Probably 2 range. I would give hack attack. It should maybe move as quickly as sword cavalry. I would push for 125 hitpoints and 15 crush, 3 hack, and 4 pierce armour. I would push for 5 hack attack. I just drew those up looking at a few units for comparison, and would not claim that it's anything perfect. It be able to pick off ranged units and women reasonably well but be far less comfortable with melee infantry.
  17. Neither of those were precisely my points. You merely pointed to cavalry rushes being a generally good thing and used the logic of scouts not being a historically accurate notion. I pointed to the idea of a horseman tending to chickens being another patently absurd mechanic from a history perspective; it may seem to be off topic, but that is a major source for propelling a sustainable cavalry engine. You yourself said that it strongly discourages cavalry rushes, which themselves are weird for villages; I don't see that as a negative. The point is this game cherry-picks historical accuracy in a way that a scouting unit is not necessarily a major problem to its vision.
  18. So were chicken farmer cavalry and yet... The idea of a village fielding large numbers of cavalry sounds problematic too.
  19. Good points to know. A food gather rate bonus for berries as you mentioned would be a reasonable idea. I do wonder if making camel archers mercenaries would remove the possibility of a rush entirely. Obviously they would contribute nothing to the economic engine, which would make the choice a gamble, but I wouldn't write that off completely (That all said, I have never strived to play 0 AD on a competitive level and as such lack the ability to comment on the meta as much as a good number of others.). Your mentioning the Ptolemies being being unable to rush doesn't sound horrible either honestly. When I think of factions that should be able to play aggressively, ones like the Romans, Britons, and Gauls come to mind, yet I'm sure that sort of choice might upset a good number of players. I would maybe aim to make slingers into more viable units for rushing as that sounds like the bigger problem at hand more than anything else. Is there any specific reason to make them significantly worse than other classes other than for the purpose nerfing some factions? I'm not sure what the farming bonus in alpha 23 was, but there are a large number of available options for farming bonuses aside from a flat increase to gather rates such as decreasing the cost; that all said, if farming has few effects in the early game, I suppose that this has little value for this topic specifically.
  20. This is not necessarily about balance strictly speaking although it would impact the civilisation. I'm not approaching this from a perspective of camel archers being overpowered. You do make a fair point about the citizen soldier cavalry aspect, but I would say that the Ptolemies were more famous for being the breadbasket of the Mediterranean than hunter-gathers. I could see the introduction of some farming bonus being a good way of reflecting that and maybe compensating for their weaker early game economy. I'd even say it would be a good, substantive way of differentiating the faction from others as their approach to cavalry rushes would as a result differ. With those points in mind, does that sound more viable to any degree? On a separate note, I expect people to disagree with my suggestions and argumentations. I am a fallible individual with a vision for the game that probably differs from everyone to some degree, but if there is dissent over my suggestions, I would advise actually attacking the arguments themselves rather than merely putting a confused emoji over my posts. That does nothing to further constructive dialogue.
  21. At the moment camel archers are simply citizen soldiers. One of the first problem with this approach is that they are Nabatean, an area that as far as I am aware was never formally under Ptolemaic rule. I would support instead having them be mercenary units to better make the distinction between citizen soldiers and mercenaries in the game more consistent while also working to reflect the emphasis this kingdom placed on mercenary based armies. I would appreciate anyone with more knowledge on the Ptolemaic kingdom to voice their thoughts as the successor states are not an area of expertise for me.
  22. Personally that all sounds like a good thing to me. It makes the prospect of setting up defences to be a way of delaying potentially key upgrades. That means that there is the potential for a meaningful choice.
  23. There was a patch proposed for that. Provided that they would be countered by ranged infantry, that wouldn't be a problem. Personally I prefer not forcing players to default to one major unit type as a counter however.
  24. I would agree generally with what you have said, and at one point I proposed the first phase generally starting with only one infantry, one ranged infantry, and one melee cavalry available to train. I would however contend that Sparta would be better served starting with a Skiritae unit (assuming that they actually would be fast like they were in alpha 23) as a replacement for a cavalry unit. This would have to be balanced in a way so that they could not be overly penalised from an economic perspective.
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