Ceres Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 @Yekaterina Is there anything further I could help with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 42 minutes ago, Ceres said: @Yekaterina Is there anything further I could help with? If you can come up with some names for Illyrian, Dacian, Thracian and Odrysian AI that will help a lot. Also the Judeans need some AI names. Even better if you can help me edit the xml files for actors to create 'new' buildings for some of the balkan civs. You don't have to use blender; just attack some Greek/Roman skin onto celtic buildings mesh (.dae files) for now. We will get better models when the artists have time to make some but for now we create our structures by mix and matching props Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 07/06/2021 at 5:08 PM, Genava55 said: Duileoga proposed them: Quote Héroes ;(3) (Reclutados en ;" ") 1." Teres I ";-------------------------------------(Τήρης ) 2." Sitalces";-------------------------------------(Σιτάλκης) 3." Kotys I ";-------------------------------------(Κότυς) I agree on those three, but I would consider Seuthes III as well. Maybe instead of Sitalces. Over there I posted a list of historically important personalities being entirely or partly of Thracian ancestry. Bolding below is from me to indicate which to probaby select/ further discuss. The others seem to have some connection with Thrace but since we search for names for kings and heroes that might not really qulify for these. Orpheus, mythological figure considered chief among poets and musicians; king of the Thracian tribe of Cicones Spartacus, Thracian gladiator who led a large slave uprising in Southern Italy in 73–71 BC and defeated several Roman legions in what is known as the Third Servile War Amadocus, Thracian King, the Amadok Point was named after him Teres I, Thracian King who united many tribes of Thrace under the banner of the Odrysian state Sitalces, King of the Odrysian state; an ally of the Athenians during the Peloponnesian War Burebista, King of Dacia Decebalus, King of Dacia Maximinus Thrax, Roman Emperor from 235 to 238.[80] Aureolus, Roman military commander Galerius, Roman Emperor from 305 to 311; born to a Thracian father and Dacian mother Licinius, Roman Emperor from 308 to 324 Maximinus Daia or Maximinus Daza, Roman Emperor from 308 to 313 Justin I, Eastern Roman Emperor and founder of the Justinian dynasty Justinian the Great, Eastern Roman Emperor; either Illyrian or Thracian, born in Dardania Belisarius, Eastern Roman general of reputed Illyrian or Thracian origin Marcian, Eastern Roman Emperor from 450 to 457; either Illyrian or Thracian Leo I the Thracian, Eastern Roman Emperor from 457 to 474 Bouzes or Buzes, Eastern Roman general active during the reign of Justinian the Great (r. 527–565) Coutzes or Cutzes, general of the Byzantine Empire during the reign of Emperor Justinian I Orpheus is told to be of Thracian origin, but on the other hand a mythological figure. Do we (in general) exclude or include such? Furthermore, I am not sure about the famous Spartacus. Appian says he was "a Thracian by birth, who had once served as a soldier with the Romans, but had since been a prisoner and sold for a gladiator".[6] Do you think he should be selected as a Thracian hero? Sitalces was, according to Wikipedia, king of the Odrysian state. If we want to differentiate this from Thracians, then we should save this figure for later use? If somebody else with better historic background would like to share her/his thoughts, please let me know. Thank you so much. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I am not supporting the idea of two Thracian factions, and I don't have the time nor the will to argue about heroes. So you have free hand on the matter. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Ceres said: Sitalces was, according to Wikipedia, king of the Odrysian state. If we want to differentiate this from Thracians, then we should save this figure for later use? By the way, you have missed several Odrysians from your list. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 8 minutes ago, Genava55 said: I am not supporting the idea of two Thracian factions, and I don't have the time nor the will to argue about heroes. So you have free hand on the matter. Currently we have Thracians, Illyrians, Dacians. Should we get Odrysians as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Just now, Yekaterina said: Currently we have Thracians, Illyrians, Dacians. Should we get Odrysians as well? In my opinion, this is a terrible idea. First, because most of our evidences, archaeologically and historically, are related to the Odrysians. Second, because this is incoherent, we don't do the same for other cultures. Else, why not dividing Getae and Dacians? The same for Illyrians with the Autariatae, Dalmatiae, Dardani, Ardiaei etc. 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 2 minutes ago, Genava55 said: In my opinion, this is a terrible idea. First, because most of our evidences, archaeologically and historically, are related to the Odrysians. Second, because this is incoherent, we don't do the same for other cultures. Else, why not dividing Getae and Dacians? The same for Illyrians with the Autariatae, Dalmatiae, Dardani, Ardiaei etc. So what do you suggest? Just one big Odrysian civ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 32 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: Just one big Odrysian civ? Just one big Thracian faction. 37 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: So what do you suggest? Illyrians + Dacians + Thracians is enough I think? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 Yes, that makes things much easier. BTW, the reason why I only mentioned Sitalces (of Odrysian origin) was that he was mentioned in another post referring to the Thracian. I just wanted to ask how to proceed with him, not meaning that the others are not worth mentioning. As I said earlier, I am no historian at all but just got to it by sheer chance (or by being kindly asked, I shall say). So if my posts in this regard were not well-grounded, please accept my apologies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Genava55 said: In my opinion, this is a terrible idea. First, because most of our evidences, archaeologically and historically, are related to the Odrysians. Second, because this is incoherent, we don't do the same for other cultures. Else, why not dividing Getae and Dacians? The same for Illyrians with the Autariatae, Dalmatiae, Dardani, Ardiaei etc. There are always gameplay problems with that. Not enough heroes is case 1. Case 2- there are no wonders/marvels. Unless they share them. The third and rarest case is incomplete buildings and architecture. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 1 hour ago, Lion.Kanzen said: The third and rarest case is incomplete buildings and architecture. I have learnt to make new buildings by mix and matching props from existing buidings, so not too big a problem anymore. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 9, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 @Genava55 @Ceres @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded it would be great if you can come up with some wonder suggestions for these balkans. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 On 05/08/2019 at 2:38 PM, Genava55 said: On 05/08/2019 at 2:38 PM, Genava55 said: Tumulus and Telos like tombs: Tumulus with a Temenos (rectangular area): Getae Tumulus Tomb: General scheme of Greek tholos tomb: 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) How about the Thracian sanctuary at Tatul? Sorry, I forgot the links: https://bulgariatravel.org/en/the-thracian-sanctuary-at-tatul-village/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tatul Edited June 9, 2021 by Ceres 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 (edited) Thracians More photos - are they helpful at all? Or do you need rather sketches? https://www.google.com/search?q=Thracian+sanctuary&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=Thracian+sanctuary+sketch&tbm=isch Dacians https://www.google.com/search?q=Dacian+sanctuary&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=Dacian+sanctuary+sketch&tbm=isch Illyrian https://www.google.com/search?q=Illyrian+sanctuary+-cosmetic&tbm=isch https://www.google.com/search?q=Illyrian+sanctuary+sketch+-cosmetic&tbm=isch PS: As @Genava55 rightfully wrote, some of this could be used as placeholder. I do not know how exactly you arts guys work. Do you use photos, sketches, text, etc. as inspiration to draw something? Because of lack of understanding, my quick links very likely do not meet your expectations. Edited June 9, 2021 by Ceres Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 I think it will use a placeholder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 9, 2021 Report Share Posted June 9, 2021 47 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: I have learnt to make new buildings by mix and matching props from existing buidings, so not too big a problem anymore. It takes time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted June 22, 2021 Report Share Posted June 22, 2021 @Yekaterina Could you use some of the links I posted? Is there maybe anything further I could help with? I am afraid that I do not understand the second paragraph in your quoted post: On 09/06/2021 at 9:55 AM, Yekaterina said: If you can come up with some names for Illyrian, Dacian, Thracian and Odrysian AI that will help a lot. Also the Judeans need some AI names. Even better if you can help me edit the xml files for actors to create 'new' buildings for some of the balkan civs. You don't have to use blender; just attack some Greek/Roman skin onto celtic buildings mesh (.dae files) for now. We will get better models when the artists have time to make some but for now we create our structures by mix and matching props If you pointed me to some reading source, maybe I could understand better and help in this regard as well. Thank you! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted June 28, 2021 Report Share Posted June 28, 2021 How can I play with some files and check the effects in the Atlas editor? When the editor is open, the public.zip file cannot be accessed/altered. What am I missing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted July 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2021 On 28/06/2021 at 4:45 PM, Ceres said: How can I play with some files and check the effects in the Atlas editor? When the editor is open, the public.zip file cannot be accessed/altered. What am I missing? When the editor is open, the public.zip file is constantly being accessed by the system, so Windows 10 would restrict you from opening it to prevent corruptions. You need to close the scenario editor and all 0ad related processes, then right click on public.zip then click on 'extract here'. After the extraction is done you will get a folder called 'public' (it is huge)! Delete the original public.zip, then restart the game. You should see the mod selection screen. Select 0ad, then restart the game a few times to check if it works. You can then edit the files in public folder. Alternatively, build from git or svn 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted July 3, 2021 Report Share Posted July 3, 2021 Yes, it was blocked while in use. Now that I use SVN, the public folder comes already unpacked. I observed that the editor does not recognize several changes it not restarted. I assume that adding a function in the editor to force-load everything by clicking a button would not have much benefit, as it would take the same time as manually restarting it. Correct? Sorry, btt... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted July 3, 2021 Report Share Posted July 3, 2021 3 minutes ago, Ceres said: Yes, it was blocked while in use. Now that I use SVN, the public folder comes already unpacked. I observed that the editor does not recognize several changes it not restarted. I assume that adding a function in the editor to force-load everything by clicking a button would not have much benefit, as it would take the same time as manually restarting it. Correct? Sorry, btt... I've wanted a "hotload" button for a long time. No, the button would not take the same amount of time as restarting the program as hotloading would only be reloading the game's assets, not rebooting the entire program and loading the game's assets. Also, you would keep your current progress with a button. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ceres Posted July 3, 2021 Report Share Posted July 3, 2021 (edited) There you got a point, thank you. Let me start a new thread about this, quoting our last posts, ok? Voilà: https://wildfiregames.com/forum/topic/46285-editor-add-hotload-button/ Edited July 3, 2021 by Ceres link added Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted July 18, 2021 Report Share Posted July 18, 2021 How can we pursue this? Suggest 8-12 non-hero ruler names, have the historians approve them, write a patch to make the game prefer not already used names ( @Yekaterina?)? I'm no historian by any means, but I'd be willing to take on the Britons if we agree on a procedure. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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