===[TASK]=== Ptolemaic Tarantine Cavalry (Mercenary Tarantine Settler)

[Hidan]

If i played ptolemaics i did notice they use tarantine javelin cavalry, but they look like odrysian riders. Here some ideas for new look:

Tarantine Cavalry:

 

Ptolemaic royal cavalry:

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

I will attach to my post.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

I agree that the lack of true custom Tarantine Cavalry actors in the game is an oversight. 

In Delenda Est, Tarantine Cavalry look like this, depicted in a Greco-Italic style:

Their shields could definitely be improved. A mix of small "aspis" style and round "spina" style shields would be good, as they are depicted on coinage with both types. 

@Alexandermb @wackyserious

[wackyserious]

Hmm, a Roman subarmalis for the Ptolemaic Royal Cavalry?

I will see what I can do with it when I get back home.

[Carltonus]

Since Alpha 24 is around the corner and the Tarantine cavalry are still using the Odrysian actors, why not re-texture the Parma shields (for basic rank), and slightly shrink the aspides (for advanced/elite, as @wowgetoffyourcellphone mentioned above) until a willing modeller makes the actual shields with the spinae?

These ones look like they're wielding those for phalangites.

Also, the Odrysian cavalry may have to be wielding peltae (or none) instead of thureoi since the latter is only attested to the Hellenistic period in Greek mercenary usage.

Edited February 18, 2021 by Carltonus

[wackyserious]

11 hours ago, Carltonus said:

Since Alpha 24 is around the corner and the Tarantine cavalry are still using the Odrysian actors, why not re-texture the Parma shields (for basic rank), and slightly shrink the aspides (for advanced/elite, as @wowgetoffyourcellphone mentioned above) until a willing modeller makes the actual shields with the spinae?

These ones look like they're wielding those for phalangites.

Also, the Odrysian cavalry may have to be wielding peltae (or none) instead of thureoi since the latter is only attested to the Hellenistic period in Greek mercenary usage.

The guys are already packing things up for the release and it will be out real soon. I am taking note of this and will add this to my list for the next alpha development! Thanks!

[Lion.Kanzen]

<3 thank you wacky.

[Carltonus]

On 18/2/2021 at 4:24 AM, wackyserious said:

[...T]he next alpha development[.]

No response yet, think it would be too late already. The Ptolemaic mercenary horse skirmishers will still be Thracian for the next alpha.

@wowgetoffyourcellphone, do you have samples of your take on the Tarantines in your mod?

Edited June 9, 2021 by Carltonus
Not "Seleucid"

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

33 minutes ago, Carltonus said:

@wowgetoffyourcellphone, do you have samples of your take on the Tarantines in your mod?

As you can see the standard aspis clips through their arms, unfortunately.

Edited June 9, 2021 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

Isn't tarantine cavalry a term  that describes their way of fighting, like those of tarantum, as skirmishers/prodromoi ?

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

56 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

Isn't tarantine cavalry a term  that describes their way of fighting, like those of tarantum, as skirmishers/prodromoi ?

Yes. Tarantine Cavalry are skirmish cav who use shields (while other skirmish cavalry types didn't use shields). First adopted by the Greek city of Taras (Tarentum), and then quickly adopted by other Hellenistic states.

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

what do u call those late attic/ thracian helmets?

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 minute ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

what do u call those late attic/ thracian helmets?

I figured giving them Greco-Italian helmet types would drive home the Tarantine origin, but in truth they'd probably wear the helmet types that prevailed in the respective states in which they served.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

3 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

what do u call those late attic/ thracian helmets?

Not sure what they're called in game, but they can be seen in Atlas if you want to take a look. Go to Actors and filter "helmet"

[PyrrhicVictoryGuy]

Phrygian vs attic, wich is better?

[Lion.Kanzen]

21 minutes ago, PyrrhicVictoryGuy said:

Phrygian vs attic, wich is better?

Attic.

[Stan`]

23 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

As you can see the standard aspis clips through their arms, unfortunately.

Should be easy to fix by changing the shield orientation slightly I suppose.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

21 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Should be easy to fix by changing the shield orientation slightly I suppose.

I think the animation isn't quite right. Other "aspis" cavalry animations don't have this clipping. 

[Stan`]

Yeah cause they have that peltast shield with a wave in the middle .

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

34 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Yeah cause they have that peltast shield with a wave in the middle .

Wave = spina.  

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

Should be easy to fix by changing the shield orientation slightly I suppose.

 

36 minutes ago, Stan` said:

Yeah cause they have that peltast shield with a wave in the middle .

Yeah, I see there is no jav cav shield base variant. Hmm

base_javelin_relax

base_javelin_fast

are the only 2 options. Hmm

[wackyserious]

Ready to commit.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Shame about the clipping of the shield mesh. Maybe we can export a new one and make a separate actor. Shouldn't be difficult. 

Edited January 27, 2022 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[wackyserious]

5 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Shame about the clipping of the shield mesh. Maybe we can export a new one and make a separate actor. Shouldn't be difficult. 

Should I name it aspis_tarantine.xml?