Randomize unit at creation

[Adrix]

Hi again ! Here to ask more questions !

I would like to create a unit that can spawn with either a spear, a sword or a mace, which mean different damage types and different actors (though I suppose it would be possible to create a single actor for all three). Is there a way to do this at the moment ? I didn't succeed in using variant in a template but it might just be stupidity. I thought of creating 4 templates (1 base and 1 for each version) and have a random version be picked when the unit if trained. But I have no idea how to do such a thing either.

(While I am at it, is there a way to convert ennemy units ? (think wololo))

Edited July 23, 2019 by Adrix

[fatherbushido]

8 minutes ago, Adrix said:

Hi again ! Here to ask more questions !

I would like to create a unit that can spawn with either a spear, a sword or a mace, which mean different damage types and different actors (though I suppose it would be possible to create a single actor for all three). Is there a way to do this at the moment ? I didn't succeed in using variant in a template but it might just be stupidity. I thought of creating 4 templates (1 base and 1 for each version) and have a random version be picked when the unit if trained. But I have no idea how to do such a thing either.

(While I am at it, is there a way to convert ennemy units ? (think wololo)) 

Do you need that for a mod you are working on?

[fatherbushido]

10 minutes ago, Adrix said:

(While I am at it, is there a way to convert ennemy units ? (think wololo)) 

In alpha23b there is:

- wololo cheat code

- you can give Capturable component to that unit

Else that's not really hard to do (depending of your needs). Here is an old example: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHJs81pwtts

[Adrix]

Yes I'm working on a submob for Hyrule Conquest; adding a couple of extra factions but struggling for certain mechanics we have in mind. And thanks for the conversion ^^ I will look into that !

EDIT : If I understand you can set some units to be capturable but not give the ability to convert to specific units ? (like the priest in AoE)

Edited July 23, 2019 by Adrix

[fatherbushido]

2 hours ago, Adrix said:

Yes I'm working on a submob for Hyrule Conquest; adding a couple of extra factions but struggling for certain mechanics we have in mind. And thanks for the conversion ^^ I will look into that !

EDIT : If I understand you can set some units to be capturable but not give the ability to convert to specific units ? (like the priest in AoE)

Nice !

If you want to use the current system (currently used for buildings and some siege engine):

Give an Attack/Capture to the capturers and the Capturable component to the other units.

But it would be perhaps only a temporary solution.

If you want a proper conversion ability would you prefer something passive or active?

[Adrix]

There is a special capture component ? That mean you'd have to add the capturable component to all units though.

 

I imagined a unit that (again, aoe rip off) use conversion as a ranged attack. Instead of dealing damage to an unit it steals it after a couple of seconds of  'attack'. 

 

 

[fatherbushido]

@Trinketos If you are confused about something, just ask, I will make it more clear.

[Lion.Kanzen]

7 minutes ago, fatherbushido said:

@Trinketos If you are confused about something, just ask, I will make it more clear.

Trinketos?

 

I wasn't aware about trinketos in this conversation.

Edited July 23, 2019 by Lion.Kanzen

[Trinketos]

2 minutes ago, fatherbushido said:

@Trinketos If you are confused about something, just ask, I will make it more clear.

Ok
How i add a the capture component, or other components?

[fatherbushido]

5 minutes ago, Trinketos said:

Ok
How i add a the capture component, or other components? 

For the capturer (lines 4-9):

https://github.com/JustusAvramenko/delenda_est/blob/master/simulation/templates/template_unit_infantry.xml

For the capturable (lines 11-15):

https://github.com/JustusAvramenko/delenda_est/blob/master/simulation/templates/template_unit_support_citizen_female.xml

But that's just using the current system which is more design for buildings.

[Trinketos]

3 minutes ago, fatherbushido said:

For the capturer (lines 4-9):

https://github.com/JustusAvramenko/delenda_est/blob/master/simulation/templates/template_unit_infantry.xml

For the capturable (lines 11-15):

https://github.com/JustusAvramenko/delenda_est/blob/master/simulation/templates/template_unit_support_citizen_female.xml

But that's just using the current system which is more design for buildings.

I see that they use classes to block which unit can capture a certain entity.
Is this correct or is posible to make somenting like this?

[fatherbushido]

1 minute ago, Trinketos said:

I see that they use classes to block which unit can capture a certain entity.
Is this correct or is posible to make somenting like this? 

Sure you can use restrictedClasses to tweak it.

You can see how it works in the Delenda Est mod in action.

[Trinketos]

3 minutes ago, fatherbushido said:

Sure you can use restrictedClasses to tweak it.

You can see how it works in the Delenda Est mod in action.

Now I can make florid wars :D.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

14 hours ago, Adrix said:

Hi again ! Here to ask more questions !

I would like to create a unit that can spawn with either a spear, a sword or a mace, which mean different damage types and different actors (though I suppose it would be possible to create a single actor for all three). Is there a way to do this at the moment ? I didn't succeed in using variant in a template but it might just be stupidity. I thought of creating 4 templates (1 base and 1 for each version) and have a random version be picked when the unit if trained. But I have no idea how to do such a thing either.

(While I am at it, is there a way to convert ennemy units ? (think wololo))

 

13 hours ago, fatherbushido said:

Do you need that for a mod you are working on?

This kind of feature would be useful for male/female variations of units, such as Villagers/Citizens and/or Male and female variants of Scythian units.

[fatherbushido]

1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

 

This kind of feature would be useful for male/female variations of units, such as Villagers/Citizens and/or Male and female variants of Scythian units. 

You want them different from simulation point of view, not only from art point of view, right?

[wackyserious]

Non-matching voice-set for DE citizen is quite noticeable when playing it.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

46 minutes ago, fatherbushido said:

You want them different from simulation point of view, not only from art point of view, right?

They have to be different templates for the voice files, mainly. 

[fatherbushido]

6 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

They have to be different templates for the voice files, mainly. 

ok I see!

(In the past couldn't we handle that in the actor files?)

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

9 hours ago, fatherbushido said:

ok I see!

(In the past couldn't we handle that in the actor files?)

Not that I'm aware of. 

[fatherbushido]

On 7/24/2019 at 6:56 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Not that I'm aware of. 

Indeed I didn't find any trace of that.

@Adrix@wowgetoffyourcellphone: you'd need that only for units (or also for structures?). And I guess we would have the costs of the common parents units, right?

[wraitii]

Sounds a lot like https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1955

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

1 hour ago, wraitii said:

Sounds a lot like https://code.wildfiregames.com/D1955

In sure that could be useful, but I was envisioning some kind of template scheme where you could list child templates and frequency for each. That parent template would be what's listed in the building templates production queue.