Genava55 Posted December 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 (edited) 9 hours ago, Carltonus said: The Gallic heroes are still a bit fantasy [and the] temple is still not really accurate. Boudicca has a bronze girl-chested armor which is both fantasy and inaccurate: Caratacos has the weird belt from its concept art, which is conan the barbarian -like stuff: http://images.gamedev.net/columns/spotlight/0AD/big02.jpg http://images.gamedev.net/columns/spotlight/0AD/big02.jpg Cunobelin is less problematic but he has weird leather straps (purely decorative) over the body and with buckles (belt buckles are actually something the Romans popularized, the Celts used belt hooks and rings), there is also a Roman fibula on the shoulder (the penannular fibula appeared during the Roman empire) and the wooden scabbard that should be in metal and on the other side: Vercingetorix still has a round shield (which isn't accurate), the scabbard on the wrong side and a weird belt: Viridomarus uses the Battersea shield (which has been found in UK), a bronze fantasy cuirass, a weird animal pelt and the same problematic wooden scabbard: Finally the temple... isn't really looking like a temple: Honestly, you could use it for anything else and you wouldn't see the issue. There is nothing telling you it is a temple or any building with a religious function. This could be a storehouse, barracks, a noble house, a military camp etc. The building isn't bad, except for the round shields, but it is super generic and unspecific. Edited December 1, 2021 by Genava55 http is not supported for old 0AD concept art 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 1, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 11 hours ago, Carltonus said: The Britons still await a complete overhaul. See: 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hyperion Posted December 1, 2021 Report Share Posted December 1, 2021 1 hour ago, Genava55 said: There is nothing telling you it is a temple or any building with a religious function. This could be a storehouse, barracks, a noble house, a military camp etc. If you hadn't said anything I could still happily think of it as a temple, now I'll be irritated whenever I see it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 @Genava55 How about this one? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 I'd give her the Battersea shield, IMHO. Definitely one of the Briton heroes. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) 12 hours ago, Genava55 said: The building isn't bad, except for the round shields, but it is super generic and unspecific. Right, but what kind of religious props could it have*? *That would be "obvious" to players. Edited December 2, 2021 by wowgetoffyourcellphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 It could look like this basically. (Didn't make it @Sundiata did. I wonder if the fortifications are mandatory. For the new unit texture, now that you're back @wackyserious maybe you could help? EDIT: Scabbards are easy to fix. Just XML work. 3 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Maybe something like this? Spoiler 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carltonus Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 Thought the Battersea shield was made around or before the time of Julius Caesar's invasion of Britain? Isn't that used as a votive offering? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SDM Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 I want to chime in and say that I like the new look of Boudica a lot when compared side-by-side with boob-armor version. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 12 hours ago, wackyserious said: @Genava55 How about this one? Much better. The fibula with the lambda is a bit odd but that's a minor issue and a great improvement 8 hours ago, Stan` said: I wonder if the fortifications are mandatory. The ditches are unnecessary. In fact, most sanctuaries simply follow the concept of an enclosed perimeter, many have ditches but not all have it. 8 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Right, but what kind of religious props could it have*? *That would be "obvious" to players. Well, there are some examples there: Wooden statues and other wooden figures, weapon trophies, small shrines... I am pretty sure that something like Roseldorf's experiment would be obvious to the players: On 11/03/2021 at 7:37 PM, Genava55 said: I added in a post above a translation of a German article about a semi-academic reconstruction of a sanctuary in Austria with the addition of elements from other sanctuaries. The original article with the references and the bibliography (I scrapped them for readability): https://www.academia.edu/2262344/Roseldorf_rekonstruiert_Ein_keltisches_Heiligtum_entsteht_in_Asparn_Zaya You can find a critical review in English of their work: https://exarc.net/issue-2012-1/aoam/roseldorf-rekonstruiert Some pictures to give you some motivation to read it: 8 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Maybe something like this? A chainmail would be more accurate or even unarmored but with beautiful clothes. 4 hours ago, Carltonus said: Thought the Battersea shield was made around or before the time of Julius Caesar's invasion of Britain? Isn't that used as a votive offering? The site of La Tène with its dozen of swords, shields etc. is also a votive offering. Votive doesn't mean non-functional. The old school interpretation of nonfunctional and ceremonial weapons isn't favored anymore. First of all because we are finding more and more decorated items with visible marks of use. https://news.artnet.com/art-world/celtic-shield-warrior-grave-1725090 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, Genava55 said: The ditches are unnecessary. In fact, most sanctuaries simply follow the concept of an enclosed perimeter, many have ditches but not all have it. But it still has to be enclosed by wooden walls doesn't it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 5 minutes ago, Stan` said: But it still has to be enclosed by wooden walls doesn't it? I would say yes, this is THE feature of those sanctuaries, there are walls separating it to the outside world. And those walls weren't in stones. It can be wooden planks or clayed wattle and daub walls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Genava55 said: clayed wattle and daub walls. This might look better than just wooden planks, for it will offer a bit more variation. I suppose the temple will just be a smaller version of the wonder though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 15 hours ago, wackyserious said: @Genava55 How about this one? Armored variant? 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carltonus Posted December 2, 2021 Report Share Posted December 2, 2021 (edited) My initial suggestion was that the Battersea shield be a prop addition to the Brythonic temple or other structure. But since you insist in a combat use, let it be equipped to a proposed hero before or during the time of Julius Caesar's invasion, if any. Edited December 2, 2021 by Carltonus 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 @Genava55 Would this work for Cunobelin? 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 3, 2021 Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 15 hours ago, Genava55 said: beautiful clothes Not helpful. On 02/12/2021 at 3:07 AM, Stan` said: It could look like this basically. (Didn't make it @Sundiata did. I wonder if the fortifications are mandatory. For the new unit texture, now that you're back @wackyserious maybe you could help? EDIT: Scabbards are easy to fix. Just XML work. I like this a lot. The existing temple could be some kind of capturable map object. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2021 21 hours ago, Carltonus said: My initial suggestion was that the Battersea shield be a prop addition to the Brythonic temple or other structure. It could be too. I interpreted your message as saying this is a ceremonial item. But as a prop it is also plausible. 8 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Not helpful. The idea of beautiful clothes? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 10 hours ago, Genava55 said: The idea of beautiful clothes? No, I meant "beautiful clothes" with no visual references for what you mean doesn't help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 @Genava55 Concept for Caratacos The problem is that it looks too identical to the current appearance of Brennus 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 Another one 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 V I R I D O M A R U S 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted December 4, 2021 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 8 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: No, I meant "beautiful clothes" with no visual references for what you mean doesn't help. http://vandervaart-verschoof.com/coloring-the-iron-age-oldest-dress-in-the-netherlands-was-bright-red-and-blue/ And about the adornment, bear tusks pendant are plausible for Britain: Glass beads too: 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted December 4, 2021 Report Share Posted December 4, 2021 5 hours ago, wackyserious said: V I R I D O M A R U S Looks great. Should probably pick 1 shield pattern each for these guys though. Any suggestions for your favorites @Genava55? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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