Stan` Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Edited October 18, 2017 by stanislas69 7 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Holy moly that's cool! I love it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 ha, nice! I was moving away from the AoE2 tower+range combo, and more back towards the AoE1 sprawling range (better view of targets and shooting stalls). As far as functionality goes this looks great. Perhaps make the tower look less like the Defense tower so the purpose of the building isn't muddied. I'll publish some 'recongnition shapes' for each of the new buildings so they remain recognizable at a distance between civs, if you'd like to continue helping with these, of course. I'm not happy entirely with the shape of the spartan buildings either so ill be prompt with that. good work, back view next time too! 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
av93 Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 (edited) Yeah it would be nice to share the design with a similar shape. Maybe the tower could stay because the iberian are a defensive/tower civ. Maybe not. If you do this buildings, they would be useful for the main game if they are included, but if not they, for modders. Kudos. Edited October 17, 2017 by av93 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Here is a variant. I kept both so they can be used as variation by modders, I upload everything after then. 45 minutes ago, Sundiata said: Holy moly that's cool! I love it! Thanks. 25 minutes ago, LordGood said: ha, nice! I was moving away from the AoE2 tower+range combo, and more back towards the AoE1 sprawling range (better view of targets and shooting stalls). As far as functionality goes this looks great. Perhaps make the tower look less like the Defense tower so the purpose of the building isn't muddied. I'll publish some 'recongnition shapes' for each of the new buildings so they remain recognizable at a distance between civs, if you'd like to continue helping with these, of course. I'm not happy entirely with the shape of the spartan buildings either so ill be prompt with that. good work, back view next time too! Here is backview Sure I'm interested, I have been for six years 9 minutes ago, av93 said: Yeah it would be nice to share the design with a similar shape. Maybe the tower could stay because the iberian are a defensive/tower civ. Maybe not. If you do this buildings, they would be useful for the main game if they are included, but if not they, for modders. Kudos. Yeah coherence could be nice. 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I was afraid it would look too fortressy from the back, but it doesn't look so bad, has that nice strong Iberian look to it, and the open face horseshoe shape which is what I'm looking for with the archery ranges Red is required building/wall yellow is for architectural embellishment/additions. I think the range shape is unique enough, stables have the persian precedent and can hold its own fairly easily, but I'm having second thoughts about the siege workshop layout. it could easily fall into both the barracks and blacksmith layouts. The emphasis on the 'garage' is going to be what saves it most of the time, though i could push the garage into the left corner and have a strip of workshops along the back and right side and it would be able to hold its own through outline alone thoughts? 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 I do want to emphasize how nice this looks, the TLC shows. You have a knack for celtic/iberian architectural embellishment 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 The lego principle https://www.forgottenempires.net/age-of-empires-ii-hd-dev-blog-4-african-architecture Quote However, we made a big mistake, which we didn’t notice right away. All buildings in Age of Empires II have their characteristic shapes and sizes. Although the market was “roughly” following the proportions of the existing markets, it wasn’t close enough, and it felt like the buildings stood out too much. Back to the drawing boards, where we analyzed the existing sets to turn all buildings into basic blocks. Playing with LEGO as it were Spoiler I love that. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 Here are the files and baked ao. If you want to commit feel free to do so. Will probably put them on SketchFab aswell at some point. 30 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: The lego principle I love that. That's an interesting concept. 40 minutes ago, LordGood said: I do want to emphasize how nice this looks, the TLC shows. You have a knack for celtic/iberian architectural embellishment Awww thanks. You do have one for helenistic buildings yourself 1 hour ago, LordGood said: I was afraid it would look too fortressy from the back, but it doesn't look so bad, has that nice strong Iberian look to it, and the open face horseshoe shape which is what I'm looking for with the archery ranges Red is required building/wall yellow is for architectural embellishment/additions. I think the range shape is unique enough, stables have the persian precedent and can hold its own fairly easily, but I'm having second thoughts about the siege workshop layout. it could easily fall into both the barracks and blacksmith layouts. The emphasis on the 'garage' is going to be what saves it most of the time, though i could push the garage into the left corner and have a strip of workshops along the back and right side and it would be able to hold its own through outline alone thoughts? About this, I must admit I got a bit confused ^^ Long day. What are those footprints ? three different buildings ? Stable, Siege Workshop, Shootingrange ? Iber_Range_A-B.7z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 17, 2017 Report Share Posted October 17, 2017 7 minutes ago, stanislas69 said: About this, I must admit I got a bit confused ^^ Long day. What are those footprints ? three different buildings ? Stable, Siege Workshop, Shootingrange ? Those are the basic shapes I would like for the stables, siege workshop and archery range to follow respectively. If all of the buildings of similar function are of a similar shape, then (especially once freshly implemented) players will be able to recognize the buildings between civs at a distance, without the need to zoom in and look at the props, like how the 0 AD barracks follow the AoK format, and are easily recognizable as a result. normally this wouldn't be much of a problem, but we're going to be adding a lot of 'military training buildings' and things could get confusing very quickly for a new player. Making these variations easily recognizable at any distance is a must now. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) One thing that this range does better than the Spartan one is show the targets to the viewer at the standard building position. I think the spartan one should be rotated 180 degrees so that the targets can be seen. But you also have to remember the civ, Stan. The Iberians don't have archers, at least not as a standard unit, so the projectiles embedded in the targets should be javelins, methinks. Edited October 18, 2017 by wowgetoffyourcellphone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 hm, thats right, I guess mirroring the 'lego' proposal on its x and keep the tower to the corner like you have would show off the targets more readily. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) 35 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: One thing that this range does better than the Spartan one is show the targets to the viewer at the standard building position. I think the spartan one should be rotated 180 degrees so that the targets can be seen. But you also have to remember the civ, Stan. The Iberians don't have archers, at least not as a standard unit, so the projectiles embedded in the targets should be javelins, methinks. Misiles range. In Spanish archery range is called galleria de tiro (con Arco). So this is Galeria=Long gallery. shooting gallery Tiro means shot. Maybe https://www.collinsdictionary.com/dictionary/spanish-english/galería-de-tiro shooting gallery Edited October 18, 2017 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 I guess there are also technically theoretical 'archers' in the towers. ooh that's something, imagine if the archery range was a village phase prereq for towers and fortresses? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 minute ago, LordGood said: I guess there are also technically theoretical 'archers' in the towers. ooh that's something, imagine if the archery range was a village phase prereq for towers and fortresses? May be. How complicate is learning archery? for a villager Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 well shoot, i dunno lion, you try shooting a raiding horseman at full gallop from a tower with nowhere to practice. lol i have a hard enough time when my targets don't move. these tower archers are PROS 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: But you also have to remember the civ, Stan. The Iberians don't have archers, at least not as a standard unit, so the projectiles embedded in the targets should be javelins, methinks. Yeah, I initially planned to have both when I made it, that's why there was a dummy in the background.@LordGood Btw it would be nice that the blue lines on the dummy would be player color. 52 minutes ago, LordGood said: hm, thats right, I guess mirroring the 'lego' proposal on its x and keep the tower to the corner like you have would show off the targets more readily. So no change needed to my shape ? 46 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: May be. How complicate is learning archery? for a villager Learning is easy, Mastering is hard. Ex archer here. 49 minutes ago, LordGood said: I guess there are also technically theoretical 'archers' in the towers. ooh that's something, imagine if the archery range was a village phase prereq for towers and fortresses? Sounds good. iber_rg.7z Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) I honestly think targets would be better than dummies. The dummies could be used in barracks while targets used in archery ranges. Another distinguishing characteristic. Just a suggestion. the targets just in general look way cooler too. Edited October 18, 2017 by wowgetoffyourcellphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 i did really like those targets, and yes we'll be following your shape stan, maybe a little more squat in future iterations and with the tower being more of an option than a distinguishing feature 4 minutes ago, stanislas69 said: Btw it would be nice that the blue lines on the dummy would be player color. I can get behind that, Iberians are sorely lacking in playercolor options aside from the banners and vases 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 Brought the targets back <3 11 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: I honestly think targets would be better than dummies. The dummies could be used in barracks while targets used in archery ranges. Another distinguishing characteristic. Just a suggestion. the targets just in general look way cooler too. That separation looks like a very good idea. 8 minutes ago, LordGood said: i did really like those targets, and yes we'll be following your shape stan, maybe a little more squat in future iterations and with the tower being more of an option than a distinguishing feature I liked them a lot too, I just wasn't sure on what people would practise javelins, Usually you would do that without any target. 9 minutes ago, LordGood said: I can get behind that, Iberians are sorely lacking in playercolor options aside from the banners and vases Indeed. Would be nice though to unify it with other civs, so they all benefit from the player color. iber_rg3.7z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 Yes, the targets are very cool! Targets for archery range and dummies for barracks seems like a good distinguishing feature indeed... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted October 18, 2017 Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) That shooting range looks really nice! And yes, ranged units were specialists: archery and slinging were skills which require years of practice (boys trained from early childhood); accurately hurling a javelin is much easier and could be learned in weeks or maybe days. On the other hand, non-mercenary melee infantry (especially hoplites) were typically untrained amateurs. (The famous Spartan Agoge training included dancing, singing, sports, chasing hares and clubbing them to death, etc, but not spear fighting or phalanx warfare.) Furthermore, it's great you're discussing adding cavalry stables and siege workshops. Hopefully you can also create elephant stables for all relevant factions. (And maybe a sacred band barracks (cart) and royal guard barracks (mace, ptol, spart), cf. AoE's Academy.) Edited October 18, 2017 by Nescio Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2017 (edited) @LordGood Thanks for the commit Started working on the stables. Edited October 18, 2017 by stanislas69 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted October 19, 2017 Report Share Posted October 19, 2017 On 10/18/2017 at 10:41 AM, Nescio said: That shooting range looks really nice! And yes, ranged units were specialists: archery and slinging were skills which require years of practice (boys trained from early childhood); accurately hurling a javelin is much easier and could be learned in weeks or maybe days. On the other hand, non-mercenary melee infantry (especially hoplites) were typically untrained amateurs. (The famous Spartan Agoge training included dancing, singing, sports, chasing hares and clubbing them to death, etc, but not spear fighting or phalanx warfare.) Furthermore, it's great you're discussing adding cavalry stables and siege workshops. Hopefully you can also create elephant stables for all relevant factions. (And maybe a sacred band barracks (cart) and royal guard barracks (mace, ptol, spart), cf. AoE's Academy.) The bracket stuff would be overkill I think we should have the basics: Barracks, Ranges - Infantry, Stables - Cavalry, Elephant Stables - Elephants, Siege Workshops - Siege 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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