Faction : Nomads Xiongnu

[Lion.Kanzen]

https://m.bilibili.com/video/bv113411W7yT

The mod about Mongolian in AoE3 that AIEND was talking about.

[AIEND]

  On 09/03/2022 at 5:58 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

两个都。 我真的希望你能在 Delenda Est mod 中测试 Scythians。 现在，在我所做的所有公共 mod 更改之后，mod 处于混乱状态。 

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I tried the Scythians on the Delenda Est mod and got a rough idea of the structure tree. Excluding my not accustomed to the separate design of soldiers and civilians in this mod, as I said before, there are too many types of buildings and not enough emphasis on cavalry, which makes me feel like I'm not playing a nomad.

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 09/03/2022 at 6:08 PM, AIEND said:

I tried the Scythians on the Delenda Est mod and got a rough idea of the structure tree. Excluding my not accustomed to the separate design of soldiers and civilians in this mod, as I said before, there are too many types of buildings and not enough emphasis on cavalry, which makes me feel like I'm not playing a nomad.

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what would that emphasis be?

[AIEND]

  On 09/03/2022 at 6:20 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

重点是什么？

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Can be more differentiated:
1. Like the Huns in Age of Empires 2, no housing is required for population support.
2. Except for the wonders, all buildings can be packaged.
3. The functions of warehouses, barracks, and stables can all be completed by yurts (of course, this building can use the model of the current barracks).
4. Shamans, champions, and battering rams are trained by the big yurt.
5. The corral automatically trains cattle and sheep.
6. The bullock cart for packing the yurt and the bullock cart for storing resources are separated.
7. In addition to hunting and slaughtering animals, Xiongnu's soldiers and women were inefficient at logging, mining for stone and gold and could not farm. But Xiongnu can do these jobs with slaves captured from settled civilizations.
8.Cavalry costs less, infantry only needs archers, spearmen and champion archers.

Edited March 9, 2022 by AIEND

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 09/03/2022 at 6:51 PM, AIEND said:

functions of warehouses, barracks, and stables can all be completed by yurts (of course, this building can use the model of the current barracks).

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too many stuff in a single building.

  On 09/03/2022 at 6:51 PM, AIEND said:

The corral automatically trains cattle and sheep.

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Need some patches.

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 09/03/2022 at 6:51 PM, AIEND said:

In addition to hunting and slaughtering animals, Xiongnu's soldiers and women were inefficient at logging, mining for stone and gold and could not farm. But Xiongnu can do these jobs with slaves captured from settled civilizations.

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Agree

  On 09/03/2022 at 6:51 PM, AIEND said:

Can be more differentiated:
1. Like the Huns in Age of Empires 2, no housing is required for population support.
2. Except for the wonders, all buildings can be packaged.
3. The functions of warehouses, barracks, and stables can all be completed by yurts (of course, this building can use the model of the current barracks).
4. Shamans, champions, and battering rams are trained by the big yurt.
5. The corral automatically trains cattle and sheep.
6. The bullock cart for packing the yurt and the bullock cart for storing resources are separated.
7. In addition to hunting and slaughtering animals, Xiongnu's soldiers and women were inefficient at logging, mining for stone and gold and could not farm. But Xiongnu can do these jobs with slaves captured from settled civilizations.
8.Cavalry costs less, infantry only needs archers, spearmen and champion archers.

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Ok no any kind of swordman?

[AIEND]

  On 09/03/2022 at 7:54 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

一栋楼里的东西太多了。

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The technology of the granary and warehouse can be put on the ox cart, Xiongnu's yurt is only a military camp for training women by the way, and the technology originally researched from the house can be cancelled.

[AIEND]

  On 09/03/2022 at 7:56 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

好吧，没有任何类型的剑客？

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Judging from the brick carvings and stone carvings found in the Han Dynasty, the Xiongnu people did not like to dismount and fight. The main weapons for foot combat were bows and arrows, and spears (without shields) were sometimes used.

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 09/03/2022 at 9:29 PM, AIEND said:

Judging from the brick carvings and stone carvings found in the Han Dynasty, the Xiongnu people did not like to dismount and fight. The main weapons for foot combat were bows and arrows, and spears (without shields) were sometimes used.

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Any auxiliar or mercenaries?

 

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@wowgetoffyourcellphone thoughts...

Edited March 9, 2022 by Lion.Kanzen

[Loki1950]

Xiongnu lived north of the Han the only possible source for those mercs and auxiliaries where on the Korean peninsula and a thousand kilometres away and did not like the nomads at all so there is no historical reason for them at all.

Enjoy the Choice

[AIEND]

  On 09/03/2022 at 9:59 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

有辅助还是佣兵？

 

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@wowgetoffyourcellphone 的 想法...

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The xiongnu itself has mixed quite a few tribes, so there is no need for those. The "僮仆都尉Tongpuduwei" set up by Xiongnu is to levy taxes from the countries of the Western Regions instead of conscription.

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 10/03/2022 at 4:03 AM, AIEND said:

The "僮仆都尉Tongpuduwei" set up by Xiongnu is to levy taxes from the countries of the Western Regions instead of conscription.

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What is that?

[AIEND]

  On 10/03/2022 at 4:23 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

那是什么？

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This is an official position established by Xiongnu, where 僮仆Tongpu means slave.

Xiongnu regarded the countries of the Western Regions as his own slaves, so he set up this official position to govern. Later, with the Han Dynasty's attack on the Xiongnu, Xiongnu lost control of the Western Regions, and this official position also disappeared.

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 10/03/2022 at 4:34 AM, AIEND said:

This is an official position established by Xiongnu, where 僮仆Tongpu means slave.

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interesting slave trade.

They come to attack cities to get slaves?

[AIEND]

  On 10/03/2022 at 4:53 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

有趣的奴隶贸易。

他们来攻城掠夺奴隶？

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This is a metaphor, saying that the Western countries are slaves of Xiongnu means vassal relationship. Xiongnu believed that these countries were their own vassals and had to pay taxes.

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 10/03/2022 at 5:07 AM, AIEND said:

This is a metaphor, saying that the Western countries are slaves of Xiongnu means vassal relationship. Xiongnu believed that these countries were their own vassals and had to pay taxes.

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How do you think that could work in the game?

With a building and trickle of gold/any resource?

[AIEND]

  On 10/03/2022 at 6:08 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

你认为这在游戏中如何发挥作用？

的建筑物 和涓涓细流 金子/任何资源 ？

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Does not require buildings, should get Metal trickle as a faction trait, just like Ptolemy got Food trickle.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

  On 10/03/2022 at 5:07 AM, AIEND said:

This is a metaphor, saying that the Western countries are slaves of Xiongnu means vassal relationship. Xiongnu believed that these countries were their own vassals and had to pay taxes.

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Maybe nomad civs could have a sort of ''military colony'' building.

A settlement that trains slaves and units from their sedentary vassals.

Edited March 25, 2022 by Ultimate Aurelian

[AIEND]

Take Xiongnu as an example, mainly taxing Western countries, rather than acquiring slaves and soldiers.  Slaves were generally plundered from hostile states (such as the Han Dynasty), and soldiers were acquired by annexing other tribes. @Ultimate Aurelian

Edited March 25, 2022 by AIEND

[AIEND]

  On 25/03/2022 at 4:01 AM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

也许游牧文明可以拥有一种“军事殖民地”建筑。

一个将奴隶和单位从久坐的附庸中训练出来的定居点。

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I feel that nomadic factions can add a common advantage of getting more loot after killing enemies and destroying buildings.

[Lion.Kanzen]

 

 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

https://www.sciencenews.org/article/asia-xiongnu-nomadic-empire-expansion

nice article about xiongnu.

[Genava55]

[Genava55]

Ancient DNA reveals the multiethnic structure of Mongolia’s first nomadic empire

https://www.mpg.de/20098860/0403-evan-mongolia-s-first-nomadic-empire-150495-x

The Xiongnu built a multiethnic empire on the Mongolian steppe that was connected by trade to Rome, Egypt, and Imperial China.

© Artwork by Galmandakh Amarsanaa, courtesy of Christina Warinner and the DairyCultures Project