Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) On 21/01/2018 at 12:10 PM, Nescio said: Archaeology can only provide evidence for what can be found, not for what can't be found or is lost. Or for something intangible, such as no “significant cultural changes”, which to me sounds either arrogant or ignorant. Expand Dude, I'm not going to refocus my research on the cultural changes in the periphery of Kush over the past 2000 years. That's a thesis right there... Certain things are obvious. They were tall. Perhaps the tallest people in the ancient world. They were known for it then. They are known for it today.. On 21/01/2018 at 12:10 PM, Nescio said: however, the axe head shown about a dozen posts earlier was less than 15 cm, so perhaps use that as an indication for the total axe length. Expand Why do you want to make everything smaller??? lol... The Axe-head depicted in the relief literally directly underneath the image you're referring to is easily 40cm..! The Khopesh could indeed be smaller. Axe is perfect as is. On 21/01/2018 at 12:15 PM, wackyserious said: Any suggestion to enhance our guy Nastasen? Which props should he use? Weapons, shields, plus horse props Expand That spear/lance alexander made Ideed, like Wow said, he can have the cobra on the skullcap. He can even have 2 cobras (seriously). For now he should have the round rhino-hide shield, but ideally, there would be some bronze finishing on the shield (shieldboss and decorated circular cutout on the edge) Edited January 21, 2018 by Sundiata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nescio Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) On 21/01/2018 at 12:29 PM, Sundiata said: Dude, I'm not going to refocus my research on the cultural changes in the periphery of Kush over the past 2000 years. That's a thesis right there... Certain things are obvious. They were tall. Perhaps the tallest people in the ancient world. They were known for it then. They are known for it today.. Expand While I like discussing with you, I know nothing about the Dinka or other peoples in that part of the world. If you say so, I'll believe you. I'd just like to point out the obvious isn't always true. (E.g. up to the present day most people believe the Black Death was spread by rats, although different modern sciences have proven that can't be true - but that's a different topic.) On 21/01/2018 at 12:29 PM, Sundiata said: Why do you want to make everything smaller??? lol... The Axe-head depicted in the relief directly underneath the image you're referring to is easily 40cm..! The Khopesh could indeed be smaller. Axe is perfect as is. Expand No, I don't want to make everything smaller, I just like to avoid an unrealistically long sword. In fact, I have no objections at all if the axe is longer than the sword, or shorter for that matter; I was just referring to the 10 cm ruler in this image: On 21/01/2018 at 10:37 AM, Sundiata said: Expand Edited January 21, 2018 by Nescio ce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nescio Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 12:46 PM, stanislas69 said: Expand The sword of the man on the left is hard to see because of its thinness. The central person should hold the axe lower, certainly not at the middle. Otherwise the axe seems fine to me. The sword'sblade length could be reduced slightly more, but it already looks much better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 @stanislas69 Both weapons look perfect to me. Maybe just a little more shine for the Khopesh blade Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Check the repo, I updated the following actor files with the new textures Infantry champions (archer, swordsman and axeman) Nastasen (Hero spear cavalry) Next will be basic infantry, @Sundiata where should linen corselet start to appear? At advanced rank with no accessories? At elite rank, what would it be? Extra accessories like armbands and necklaces? What about padded clothing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Nescio Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) It would be better if the axe was held still closer to the end to make it more effective in combat (cf. the sword's grip). The weapons' lengths seem reasonable, the colours I don't know (what kind of materials were used? bronze?) Also, are the shields supposed to be flat or curved? A wooden panel covered with animal skin (heavy) or an animal skin spanned on a wooden frame (much lighter)? Edited January 21, 2018 by Nescio ce Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) On 21/01/2018 at 1:24 PM, wackyserious said: Next will be basic infantry, @Sundiata where should linen corselet start to appear? At advanced rank with no accessories? At elite rank, what would it be? Extra accessories like armbands and necklaces? What about padded clothing? Expand We need a simple single string bead necklace in addition of the royal beaded necklace we have now. Something like this? kush_infantry archer & Kush_infantry_spearman (Nubian Units): tier 1: Bare chest, nothing special. tier 2: bare chest, Nubian sash, bronze ankle-bands, ostrich feather in hair (maybe only for archers) tier 3: try using the tunic wowgetoffyourcellphone created for the Blemmye camel rider, Nubian sash, simple necklace, bronze ankle-bands, 2 or three ostrich feathers (maybe only for archers) Kush_infantry_swordsman: tier 1: linen corselet tier 2: linen corselet or that other cloth armour variant, (medium) necklace tier 3: quilted cotton vest, (medium) necklace, bronze ankle-bands cotton skullcap Kush_infantry_pikeman: check: https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/22765-kushites-units-unit-textures-and-unit-props/&do=findComment&comment=347005 tier 1: bare chest tier 2: linen corselet and other cloth armour tier 3: quilted cotton armour, almost ankle length loincloth, bronze armbands, cotton skullcap Feel free to play around with it, to achieve the most authentic feeling combination of things. Lower tier never has armour (except swordsmen because they're cool). Try avoiding the royal necklaces. Good for champions, not so good for regulars. Edited January 21, 2018 by Sundiata 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 1:52 PM, stanislas69 said: @Nescio Expand Great! Hopefully I wasn't too annoying with all my minor detail requests Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 1:31 PM, Nescio said: It would be better if the axe was held still closer to the end to make it more effective in combat (cf. the sword's grip). Expand On 21/01/2018 at 1:52 PM, stanislas69 said: @Nescio Expand Sorry but this is too far... When you hold an axe like that you have maximum strength in your swing, but minimal accuracy. There's a trade off! The previous position was perfect! Perfect balance between strength and accuracy. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 2:02 PM, Sundiata said: Sorry but this is too far... When you hold an axe like that you have maximum strength in your swing, but minimal accuracy. There's a trade off! The previous position was perfect! Perfect balance between strength and accuracy. Expand Shall we settle at 20% of the length then, just like the relief? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 2:08 PM, Nescio said: Shall we settle at 20% of the length then, just like the relief? Expand Yes please Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 Precisely 20% @Sundiata @Nescio 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) @Sundiata Some pikes Which round shield would be used by the basic and advanced ranks? Is it the Hellenistic pelte? MEROITIC PIKEMEN Edited January 21, 2018 by wackyserious 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 I have a non gold version of the shield too @Sundiata but I'm not sure on who should get it. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 @stanislas69 Thank youuuu! Sorry for our nitpicking On 21/01/2018 at 2:48 PM, wackyserious said: Expand Mmmmm, yeeesh Very good. Tier 2 could also get that hypothetical simple necklace. I'll try to come up with something, I came up with something: Necklace only: Good? On 21/01/2018 at 3:29 PM, stanislas69 said: I have a non gold version of the shield too @Sundiata but I'm not sure on who should get it. Expand Wowie... I love it! Luuuve it! I'm running out of compliments guys... It's for the hero Nastasen and champion cavalry. Maybe champion cavalry could get a silver/steel looking variant instead? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 @wackyserious Simple necklace version 2: Necklace only On 21/01/2018 at 3:52 PM, stanislas69 said: Expand Perfect shield! Perrrrrfect! Reminds me that we need a different type of prop for the horse crown thing... This example is from Napata: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wackyserious Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 I tweaked it a bit, by adjusting the contrast, brightness and tweaking the color. Here's a possible combination together with wowgetoffyourcellphone's necklace Simple necklace versions are available too. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 (edited) On 21/01/2018 at 2:48 PM, wackyserious said: Which round shield would be used by the basic and advanced ranks? Is it the Hellenistic pelte? Expand Pikemen: Euhm, the tier 1 & 2 versions should have a small round shield, not modelled yet... Tier 3 should get the Egyptian style cowhide shield. I don't know what the shield is made of or how it's decorated :/ I have no idea.. Just the shape I know: round... And it's attached to the shoulder! Napata relief Edited January 21, 2018 by Sundiata Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted January 21, 2018 Report Share Posted January 21, 2018 On 21/01/2018 at 4:23 PM, wackyserious said: Simple necklace versions are available too. Expand Yeah, I think royal necklaces (the big ones) should ideally be reserved for champion units and heroes. I'll try to make some more simple necklace variations a little later if they're useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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