===[TASK]=== Crowd Sourced - Thracians (Faction)

[Duileoga]

20 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

In my opinion, a building that is a must-have is one of those royal tombs.

Let's imagine we will have one of those tombs:

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What kind of design for the other buildings could work with?

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Now, do we want something inspired from the sanctuary of Tatul?

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If yes, same question than for the royal tomb: what kind of design for the other buildings could work with?

estas son las referencias que pude reunir ;

(Muchas me las pasó @Genava55) otras las encontré en algunos museos Búlgaros ;

 

 

Edificios de influencia griega;

 

 

 

 

 

Edificios más rurales y que se construyeron hasta el s.IV antes de cristo;

 

 

 

 

Arquitectura Tracia y tribu Geate(getas) de entre los siglos V-I antes de cristo;

 

 

 

 

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[Duileoga]

26 minutes ago, Genava55 said:

In my opinion, a building that is a must-have is one of those royal tombs.

Let's imagine we will have one of those tombs:

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What kind of design for the other buildings could work with?

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Now, do we want something inspired from the sanctuary of Tatul?

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If yes, same question than for the royal tomb: what kind of design for the other buildings could work with?

-Me parece estupenda la idea de una Tumba Real tracia (con elementos helenísticos) para la maravilla.

@Genava55 ,Páseme todas las texturas griegas que le parezcan las más adecuadas y una lista de los sitios arqueológicos que encontró , por favor , si puede.

 

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[Lion.Kanzen]

4 minutes ago, Duileoga said:

-Me parece estupenda la idea de una Tumba Real tracia (con elementos helenísticos) para la maravilla.

@Genava55 ,Páseme todas las texturas griegas que le parezcan las más adecuadas y una lista de los sitios arqueológicos que encontró , por favor , si puede.

 

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Que te las pase o las indique?

[Duileoga]

2 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Que te las pase o las indique?

-Como les sean más cómodo  (mapas , listas enumeradas , enlaces/links , vídeos ....) y con las texturas , mejor una foto aquí en el foro , porque a veces al intentar descargarlas de un enlace/link ,el servidor no me deja hacerlo...

 

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[Genava55]

Helis/Sboryanovo, capital of the Getae and Hellenistic inspired city:

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Seuthopolis, Odrysian capital during Seuthes III:

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Pistiros, an emporion where lived both Greeks and Thracians:

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Kozi Gramadi, residence of a Thracian prince, 5th-4th century BC. Next to it, there is a sanctuary of the 8th-4th century BC and with a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera added in the 4th century BC. The sanctuary was built in wood and in masonry, with a foundation made out of stones, and it was active between the 8th to the 6th century BC. Then when the Thracian prince built his residence, the sanctuary was rebuilt, probably in stones. It is unclear how the building was reconstructed and if it retains some elements of the original. Later, probably with the Macedonian influence, a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera was built.

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The Thracian Temple Complex at Starosel, with multiple tumuli, nearby Kozi Gramadi.

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Edited March 6, 2023 by Genava55

[Genava55]

By the way, this is the Thracian Tomb at Pomorie:

http://www.daytripsbulgaria.com/excursion/218/Pomorie--The-Thracian-Tomb

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I believe you have enough evidences for Hellenistic influence with the compilation above, from my previous message. Those 5 sites have different context and situation. 

I think that Civic Center, fortress, barracks, temple and wonder should be inspired by those Hellenistic influenced buildings.

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Some Hellenic building currently:

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Hellenic civic centers:

Macedonian houses:

Macedonian farms:

Macedonian temples:

Macedonian barracks:

Spartan houses:

Spartan farms:

Spartan temple:

Spartan barracks:

Athenian houses:

Athenian farms:

Athenian barracks:

Athenian temple:

 

 

Edited March 12, 2023 by Genava55

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

17 hours ago, Genava55 said:

You don't like it but it is necessary

My point was, that Seuthopolis and Persepolis both seem like the central administrative centers of a city rather than entire cities in themselves. Though it seems like Seuthopolis had more of the trappings of a city (marketplace, etc.) than Persepolis did. 

Edited March 2, 2023 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

I wonder how complete this tumulus is:

 

How much does this look like how it originally did? 

Looks a lot like the Kurgans of steppe tradition. Though, many cultures had such a tradition.

[Genava55]

On 02/03/2023 at 5:10 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

How much does this look like how it originally did? 

I added the tumuli complex from Starosel, with more illustrations.

Btw, I mentionned previously the connection with Macedonian tombs which are interesting references we can get inspiration from.

 

On 02/03/2023 at 10:57 AM, Genava55 said:

Kozi Gramadi, residence of a Thracian prince, 5th-4th century BC, next to a sanctuary of the 8th-4th century BC and with a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera added in the 4th century BC:

By the way guys, I have a great news for you, there is an evidence for wooden columns in Kozi Gramadi.

@Duileoga see my message above with the compilation from Kozi Gramadi

I don't think it would work for a temple entire in wood but at least it can help to mix stones and wood.

It is still important to have mostly visual based on stones. Maybe something like those for the houses?

Edited March 5, 2023 by Genava55

[Genava55]

@wowgetoffyourcellphone an idea I have for the Royal Tomb, whenever the Thracian player loses a hero in battle they can build a royal tomb. The building would provide a significant bonus.

[Genava55]

On 31/08/2017 at 12:21 AM, Sundiata said:

 

This guy actually used 0AD music, as the soundtrack for his airial shots of the ruins of Kabyle, one of Thrace's most important cities. Although I don't know what time-period these ruins date from.

 

I missed this video. Thanks.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

5 hours ago, Genava55 said:

I missed this video. Thanks.

He gave proper attribution too.

[Stan`]

Btw temple and everything come from http://www.romaniadevis.ro/dacia/zona-geto-daca/reconstituiri-3d/item/templu-dacic-v-01-reconstituire-virtuala-3d

And 

http://www.romaniadevis.ro/dacia/zona-geto-daca/reconstituiri-3d/item/templu-dacic-v-02-reconstituire-virtuala-3d

[Genava55]

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

Btw temple and everything come from http://www.romaniadevis.ro/dacia/zona-geto-daca/reconstituiri-3d/item/templu-dacic-v-01-reconstituire-virtuala-3d

And 

http://www.romaniadevis.ro/dacia/zona-geto-daca/reconstituiri-3d/item/templu-dacic-v-02-reconstituire-virtuala-3d

Yep. It could be used as inspiration. Although those references are mostly from the Dacian period.

By the way, I was a bit harsh by saying this is ugly. I find the models too generic and too blend. It is unmemorable and unremarkable, it doesn't make a visual impact. But the models by themselves aren't bad. 

Edited March 7, 2023 by Genava55

[Duileoga]

On 02/03/2023 at 10:57 AM, Genava55 said:

Helis/Sboryanovo, capital of the Getae and Hellenistic inspired city:

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Seuthopolis, Odrysian capital during Seuthes III:

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Pistiros, an emporion where lived both Greeks and Thracians:

  Reveal hidden contents

 

 

Kozi Gramadi, residence of a Thracian prince, 5th-4th century BC. Next to it, there is a sanctuary of the 8th-4th century BC and with a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera added in the 4th century BC. The sanctuary was built in wood and in masonry, with a foundation made out of stones, and it was active between the 8th to the 6th century BC. Then when the Thracian prince built his residence, the sanctuary was rebuilt, probably in stones. It is unclear how the building was reconstructed and if it retains some elements of the original. Later, probably with the Macedonian influence, a temple dedicated to Zeus and Hera was built.

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The Thracian Temple Complex at Starosel, with multiple tumuli, nearby Kozi Gramadi.

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Buenos días o tardes;

-Muchas gracias @Genava55 , investigando unos días e hilando enlaces respecto a tus referencias , estos son los asentamientos en los que me voy a basar para completar los edificios(aunque existan muchas más poblaciones tracias), esta semana me pondré con los bocetos;

 

Muchos llevan sus nombres tracios;

Tracios         

Ciudades ;

Serbia;

1.    Nish
2.    Dardapara

 

Macedonia del Norte;

1.    Bargala

 

Grecia ;
1.    Rigio
2.    Breierophara
3.    Stavroupolis

 

Turquía;

1.    Bizye
2.    Kirklareli
3.    Uskudama
4.    Bergule
5.    Aprus
6.    Naip
7.    Aenus
8.    Drusipara

 

 

Bulgaria;

1.    Durankulak
2.    Dolishte
3.    Helis
4.    Silistra
5.    Sveshtari
6.    Sboryanovo
7.    Gagovo
8.    Ruets
9.    Dragoevo
10.    Karnovat
11.    Develtos
12.    Strandzha
13.    Drongilon
14.    Kabile
15.    Beroe
16.    Seuthopolis
17.    Valchitran
18.    Storgozia
19.    Starosel
20.    Strelcha
21.    Krastevich
22.    Serdika
23.    Vrasta
24.    Rogozen
25.    Lom
26.    Vidin
27.    Govezda
28.    Pautalia
29.    Mursalevo
30.    Zapara
31.    Babyak
32.    Desudava
33.    Pistiro
34.    Besapara
35.    Filipópolis
36.    Dragoynovo
37.    Perperikon
38.    Keirpara
39.    Mezek
40.    Madzharovo

 

 

Griegos             

Emporio;

1.    Tomoi
2.    Kallatis
3.    Odessos
4.    Mesembria 
5.    Pomorie
6.    Anchialo
7.    Burgas
8.    Apolonia
  

Conquistas Tracias 

1.    Kipsala
2.    Amphipolis
3.    Abdera
4.    Bisanthe
5.    Dober
6.    Pella
7.    Stobi
8.    Lysimachia
9.    Vereya
10.    Selymbria

 

Conquistas griegas;

1.    Dionysopolis
2.    Tirizis
3.    Salmydessus

 

 

referencias;

 

 

Arquitectura;

 

 

-Por las muchas referencias estoy de acuerdo en hacerlos con una gran influencia griega o "Early hellenistic"/"Helenización temprana" y con características tracias además de muchos elementos de madera y decoración tracia (pero no todos los edificios , solo la mayoría)

 

 

 

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[Duileoga]

@Genava55 @Lopess @Stan` @wowgetoffyourcellphone, esta es mi idea para los edificios tracios , ¿Ustedes que opinan?;

 

(H=Helenizado + tracio)

(T=Tracio/rural)

(C=Común en todas las Civ's)

 

-Edificios comunes; (21)

1.Centro cívico;---------------------------(...)       H
2.casas;-----------------------------------(...)      T
3.Almacén;--------------------------------(...)      T
4.Alquería;---------------------------------(...)     T
5.Huerto;-----------------------------------(...)    C
6.Corral;------------------------------------(...)    T
        6.1-Cabra;-----------(...)
        6.2-oveja;---------(...)
        6.3-vaca;------------(...)

       6.4-Cerdo;------------(...)

 

7.Puerto;------------------------------------(...)     T
8.Cuartel;----------------------------------(...)       H
9.Herrería;---------------------------------(...)       H
10.Templo;---------------------------------(...)       H
11.Mercado;-------------------------------(...)       H
12.Torre de avanzada;--------------------(...)        C
13.Torre de defensa ;---------------------(...)        H
14.Torre defensa pequeña;----------------(...)       T
15.Fortaleza;-------------------------------(...)     H
16.Empalizada;----------------------------(...)      C
17.Muralla;---------------------------------(...)      H
18.Galería de Tiro;------------------------(...)       H
19.Establo.;--------------------------------(...)     H
20.Taller de asedio;-----------------------(...)       H
21.(Maravilla)Tumba real;-----------------(...)        H

(Puerta de muralla);----------------------(...)      H
(torre de muralla);------------------------(...)       H

-Edificios especiales o culturales; (4)

22.Tumba tracia;-----------------------------(...) H
23.Palacio Tracio;----------------------------(...) H
24.Poblado tracio;---------------------------(...) T
25.Mansión tracia;---------------------------(...) H  
 

 

-Posdata;(encontré suficientes elementos y referencias para diferenciar los tracios de los ilirios y dacios , cuanto tenga más tiempo me pondré con los edificios de esas facciones)

 

 

 

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[Duileoga]

Buenos días ;

-Este es un avance de los edificios tracios;

 

-¿Qué opinan ? @Genava55 @Lopess @wowgetoffyourcellphone @Ultimate Aurelian @Stan` @wackyserious

 

 

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[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

I feel like the buildings are "too vertical" in proportion. Does anyone else understand what I mean?

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

I agree they seem more vertical, but I actually think it looks great.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

I feel like the buildings are "too vertical" in proportion. Does anyone else understand what I mean?

It's the pillars right? The ones with pillars, like the forge in particular, seem slightly taller.

I really like the style these buildings have, very cool!

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

No, proportionally. They are too tall.

[Stan`]

Messing with scale should be easy enough

[Genava55]

On 16/03/2023 at 10:28 AM, Duileoga said:

Qué opinan

Very nice! Well done. It looks really unique. I like your main texture, the inspiration from the tomb is a good idea.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Creo que las barracas se vería an mejor sin la cantidad de columnas.

Me parece que se te fue la mano con eso.

A mi parecer la fortaleza es mejorable.

 

Las defensas están bien.

 

No sé si cambiar texturas del techo. Tal vez un tono de teja más claro más naranja pero que no se parezca al de las otras facciones del juego.

 

Si puedes retocarlos.

 

Me los imaginaba más toscos como los edificios espartanos o iberos.

[Duileoga]

On 17/03/2023 at 5:04 PM, Genava55 said:

Very nice! Well done. It looks really unique. I like your main texture, the inspiration from the tomb is a good idea.

Buenos días o tardes;

-¿Qué se le ocurre para las unidades @Genava55? si me pasan estos cascos tracios con sus texturas, podría intentar hacer algo en un tiempo cercano.

 

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