Vlad123 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Maya and atzechi is possibile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki1950 Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 It may be possible but not on the road map,as they are both much later in history and are new world.So saying that does not mean you and any friends could not do it your selves Enjoy the Choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spahbod Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 Aztecs are not from this period and we won't have enough time for Mayans. Unless you want to help us out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oshron Posted August 7, 2012 Report Share Posted August 7, 2012 save the Mayans for the 1-500ad pack Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
feneur Posted August 8, 2012 Report Share Posted August 8, 2012 i dont agree mayans exist same time with Roman empire, im from a Mayan Country. Aztec exist Later as a great Empire but in Middle Ages.The Classic Mayan period (c. AD 250–900)Are you saying you don't agree that the Mayans existed at the same time as the Roman Empire, or that you don't agree (that they didn't) and that they in fact did exist at the same time? If you mean the later of the two, a period (or even a comma) after "I don't agree" would help a lot as what you are saying can mean two opposite things depending on whether there is a period/comma or not.Either way, 0 A.D. part one will feature the years 500 B.C.-1 B.C. so they should if anything be in part two which will cover 1 A.D.-500 A.D. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oshron Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 the Mayans are the most famous, though; there should only be the one representative from the Americas while the rest is Old World civs. there's plenty of other, more distinct Old World civs that could be included instead of (perceived) similar/nearly identical Mesoamerican civs. some Olmec or Mixtec units and buildings could be included for design purposes, but i say that only the Mayans should be included as a playable civ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
historic_bruno Posted August 10, 2012 Report Share Posted August 10, 2012 The problem is there was no interaction between Mayans or any other American civ, and classical European/African/Asian civs that I'm aware of until the Vikings in Vinland around 1000 AD, but nothing on a significant scale or well-documented until the 1490s, which is long after even Part 2's time frame. So they would be like an isolated civ if we followed historical accuracy (which 0 A.D. aims to do). Sure we could add some placeholder American minifactions, and people could even play Celts vs Mayans for fun, but my least favorite part of AoK The Conquerors expansion pack was allowing those unrealistic and even ridiculous match-ups (and it completely ruined the civ balancing IMO). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkazar-ipse Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 (edited) YES, broIt's like (the WC and especialy) TAD in AoE III. Their units unbalance everything.Already splitting same language speaking tribes is a step toward AoE 2's exagerated diversity of civs IMO.I think 0AD should stick to geographicly coexisting civs, and keep it simple: few civs, but make sure they are really different, balanced etcAs of the Greek civs, I suggest the special buildings and units (which you can do anyway only after aging) should be a result of a decision taken while aging.I suggest you start age 1 as "greec" and then age as spartans or macedonians or athenians (so it stays the same civ, but you can still play the 300 Sparta (literally 300 (pop) haha)).If you ask me, well... no one asks me anyway, so I'll end it here Edited August 12, 2012 by alkazar-ipse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zeta1127 Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 YES, broIt's like (the WC and especialy) TAD in AoE III. Their units unbalance everything.Already splitting same language speaking tribes is a step toward AoE 2's exagerated diversity of civs IMO.I think 0AD should stick to geographicly coexisting civs, and keep it simple: few civs, but make sure they are really different, balanced etcAs of the Greek civs, I suggest the special buildings and units (which you can do anyway only after aging) should be a result of a decision taken while aging.I suggest you start age 1 as "greec" and then age as spartans or macedonians or athenians (so it stays the same civ, but you can still play the 300 Sparta (literally 300 (pop) haha)).If you ask me, well... no one asks me anyway, so I'll end it here What you described was how the Hellenes and the Celts were originally intended to be, but that idea was abandon in favor of more civilizations. The Hellenes were split into the Athenians, the Spartans, and the Macedonians for Alpha 10, and the Celts are being split (already split in the SVN) into the Britons and the Gauls for Alpha 11. The split civilizations are so diverse that I wouldn't have it any other way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MishFTW Posted August 12, 2012 Report Share Posted August 12, 2012 Well.... that bit about interaction. The Basque language of Spain is very similar to the Aztec language. They were supposedly connected via Plato's Atlantis which would happen to be around Gibraltar or Cadiz. But that stuff hasn't been proven or rather accepted into mainstream history. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alkazar-ipse Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 the vikings had interactions with north-american nativeswas still much later then 0 AD Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfinn the Shallow Minded Posted August 13, 2012 Report Share Posted August 13, 2012 Yes, they really started the 'Viking Age around A.D. 793 when they invaded Lindisfarne. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sighvatr Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Vikings! My favorite subject! Some history experts like to think that the Viking Age began in 793 Lindisfarne till 1066 in the Battle of Stamford bridge. Although the Norse did build a colony in so called North America today, they were only temporary for a year or less. Not much conflict between different people, and this wasn't two great empires with large armies fighting for land and power; like the Romans or Persians. A little debate between Europeans and Canadians in a date later than 0 A.D. doesn't mean that this is a reason to include a South American or Central Amercian tribe into the game. Even if you decide to allow that civilization into the game, good luck delving into that history. I expect the Spanish had done a great job into destroying most evidence of South and Central American civilizations, and you can not get a great picture of that history without having to look at the Spanish Conquistador's and priest's point of view. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki1950 Posted August 16, 2012 Report Share Posted August 16, 2012 Yeah Sighzatr the first thing the priests did was burn all the books they found.Enjoy the Choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oshron Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 i think the Mayans would be a good choice, included only for fun. i wasn't interested at the time to have experienced it myself, but i bet that alot of oldschool AOE fans were ecstatic when they learned that the AOK expansion would include the Mayans and Aztecs, because they're so exotic compared to "mundane" civilizations like Celts or Germans, and even compared to the fascinating Far Eastern civilizations like China and Japan. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sighvatr Posted August 21, 2012 Report Share Posted August 21, 2012 Yeah, Medieval Japan was already included into the game, and that was really inaccurate. I would moan more about Japan included into AoK than the Aztec and Mayan expansion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oshron Posted August 23, 2012 Report Share Posted August 23, 2012 inaccuracies aside, it kinda broke preconceived notions that the Aztecs and Mayans were stone age savages and cemented them as much more interesting cultures that used obsidian like how the Europeans and Asians used metal. again, the point of inclusion for the the Mayans would simply be that they be included for fun rather than the fact that they encountered the other civilizations. after all, the Iberians never fought the Indians or the Persians, but no one's complaining about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMolester Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Yes, but there are plenty of civs in the game that the iberians fought with (romans, celts, cartaginians, greeks). The same with persinas: Romans, mauryans, greeks, macedonians, espartans, etc.While the mayans would be COMPLETELY isolated. If you put mayans, and olmecs, and zapotec, and caribe, then it would be great, you could fight mayans vs olmecs like you can fight iberians vs romans.But how the game is now, you never would be able to play historically with the mayans.The point of the game is the possibility of doing historical and unhistorical (both) matches for every civ.The mayans would only have the unhistorical part, lacking the other half of the point of the game.So no mayans unless you are going to put other mayan neighbours in the game.Besides mayans didn't have cavarly, or siege weapons, that would be extremely unbalanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sighvatr Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 I would like to add that any south american civilization included with the mayans still wouldn't make sense with the other factions in-game. Iberians may have never fought indians or persians, but they have more ties to them than any ancient americans to anybody else in the world. Regardless of the unconfirmed theory that the Olmecs have traveled to asia, because of the artwork they created of foreign animal species. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AllenY Posted November 29, 2012 Report Share Posted November 29, 2012 Does it really matter that much about historical accuracy? The Mayans will be fun, and a game is meant to be fun. Anything that makes a game more fun or interesting is worth adding. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
NoMolester Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 Lets not dimminish both aspects of the game:FunHistoryIf a civ does not meet BOTH of the aspects, it can't be included.Mayans do not pass the history aspect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted December 1, 2012 Report Share Posted December 1, 2012 I believe in DLC pack for new civs pack can be downloaded in group by Civ type, Mesoamericans or Precolumbians. Far Asians, Africans, Bronze Civs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mythos_Ruler Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 I believe in DLC pack for new civs pack can be downloaded in group by Civ type, Mesoamericans or Precolumbians. Far Asians, Africans, Bronze Civs.I support the idea of DLC packs of civs (by culture). This may be the way we include the Seleucids and Ptolemies if we don't include them in the 1.0 release. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 (edited) I support the idea of DLC packs of civs (by culture). This may be the way we include the Seleucids and Ptolemies if we don't include them in the 1.0 release. im Thinking Post 0AD era. when Project is finish.Wallpapers.Special Modes.Fan ArtI Like systm that Unlock Special content from DLC. Edited December 2, 2012 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oshron Posted December 2, 2012 Report Share Posted December 2, 2012 Lets not dimminish both aspects of the game:FunHistoryIf a civ does not meet BOTH of the aspects, it can't be included.Mayans do not pass the history aspect.not in relation to the other civs, but as a civilization they do. the Mayans were at (or approaching; i forget which) the height of their power during 0ad's timeframe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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