Hidden unit: Han Cavalry Crossbowman

[stevenlau]

After Han captures a Persian CC, a hidden unit becomes available in that CC: Han Cavalry Crossbowman.  This unit is never mentioned in Structure Trees.

[Arup]

guess now I gotta take hans everytime im up against a persian

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

This is surely a bug, but maybe we can just call it a feature. lol

[Outis]

3 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

This is surely a bug, but maybe we can just call it a feature. lol

Or an easter egg??

[Classic-Burger]

On 08/03/2025 at 10:57 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

This is surely a bug, but maybe we can just call it a feature. lol

I don't see why it can't be done, even the assimilation process could train mercenaries after capture a building.

[Stan`]

That's the issue with allowing buildings to train all units, since you might see Atlas only entities, or entities that were not made or balanced for matches.

[Seleucids]

This is not a bug ! Technical explanation: 

Han civ was pulled straight out from Terra Magna A23 and had its code fixed for a24 and A25, as a single standalone mod civ.

On incorporating into A26, for balance, many features of the Han were removed. However, they didn't delete the template files; they just removed the OP units from Han production buildings. Crossbow cav and mobile boltshooter tank were examples of these. But the production buildings of other civs do not have explicit inhibition of these units, especially the Persian CC which can train all cav class units. As a result, the hidden units can be trained by capturing other civs' buildings. 

[Obelix]

For not loosing track of it, we have now Issue #7704.

[Seleucids]

4 hours ago, Obelix said:

For not loosing track of it, we have now Issue #7704.

I don't think it's necessary to remove this unit because it is not particularly OP and it's nice to have an Easter egg. Han capturing a Persian is a rather rare situation 

[Boudica]

So it's like the updated version of the Mauryan ram Easter egg.

[Seleucids]

3 minutes ago, Boudica said:

So it's like the updated version of the Mauryan ram Easter egg.

Exactly, same mechanism in terms of the code. I'm not sure to what extent was the Mauryan ram Easter egg intentional though.

[Stan`]

It was not. At the time I didn't know how it worked and I just wanted to add a cool asset into the map editor.

[alre]

just change captured buildings behavior. I swear, the biggest obstacle I can see to 0ad progression is bogus features that won't ever get corrected because some random dev likes them in spite of all reason.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

12 minutes ago, alre said:

just change captured buildings behavior. I swear, the biggest obstacle I can see to 0ad progression is bogus features that won't ever get corrected because some random dev likes them in spite of all reason.

Be more specific please. 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

47 minutes ago, alre said:

just change captured buildings behavior. I swear, the biggest obstacle I can see to 0ad progression is bogus features that won't ever get corrected because some random dev likes them in spite of all reason.

Is that the biggest obstacle?

Honestly, I think all that needs to happen is to come up with a consistent scheme to determine what units are available from captured buildings.

[Stan`]

Currently you can do

- civ_infantry e.g han_infantry (everyone can train han infantry by capturing this building

- {civ}_infantry gets replaced at run time by the owner civ if such a unit exists for them

- {native}_infantry like 1) but dynamic useful if you have three embassies templates with different civs for instance.