Geriatrix Stop behaving like this

[leopard]

7 hours ago, vinme said:

It is a standard system of communist authoritarian control. The Policemen, each have 10 informants or so. Happening rn in north korea, happened in the Soviet union. You bet it happens in china.

nobody is controlling you @vinme, if someone is getting affected by bad behavior from other players, they can report it on forum. moderators can decide the penalty. As far as I know Geriatrix is not banned from games. I think its is fair, because my problems are not 0AD community problem, only if more people speak up, geriatrix will get any punishment. Gtrixs accused I am spy a lot of times and it got annoying so I decided to volunteer as a spy who report things in this thread and this thread is open for anyone to report bad behavior.

[Pemulis]

These are some old ss I have, 1492 is one of Geriatrix doppleganger.

I don't remember precisely why he started acting like that, but I guess it's not really the case to find some logic in all this. 
In my opinion there's not much to do beyond ignoring him, since the need for a punishment is probably already being met by his own life.

[leopard]

39 minutes ago, Pemulis said:

In my opinion there's not much to do beyond ignoring him, since the need for a punishment is probably already being met by his own life.

truth, people like this will never change. a punishment will never cure them, will only make worse.

[Stockfish]

He got angry becouse the ban, but he insta-bans all the people he doesnt like. Full contradictions.

[leopard]

Edited August 10 by leopard

[leopard]

@Norse_Harold @Stockfish @MarcusAureliu#s @Player of 0AD

[leopard]

[Norse_Harold]

Good work, guys. Peter_Nubia used the challenge/response technique of authentication, and leopard shared the updates about recently used suspected unauthorized duplicate accounts of Geriatrix / Cedric_O.

Cedric_O, please stop using unauthorized duplicate accounts.

I consider you to be a member of the community. Though certain accounts of yours have been banned for specific reasons such as pejoratives or inciting violence in the names, or bypassing a punishment, you're not banned from the game. You are accepted as long as you decide to get along. Please just get along with the other users.

[MarcusAureliu#s]

I dont think either of those accounts hurt anyone ? Whats the issue ? 50% of the players use smurf accounts without consequences. So why now report those accounts ? Just leave geriatrix in peace. He obviously just wants to be left in peace.

Edited August 10 by MarcusAureliu#s

[real_tabasco_sauce]

30 minutes ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Just leave geriatrix in peace. He obviously just wants to be left in peace.

No, he doesn't care about peace. You can't just dish out hate non-stop to every single player and expect to be left in peace.

In any case: a smurf account is a smurf account, end of story.

[MarcusAureliu#s]

As far as i am aware none of those accounts did hate on anyone, so why are those smurf accounts banned ? This looks like escalating the situation.

[MarcusAureliu#s]

besides accusing account names such as "mortauxcons" of inciting violence is a bit far fetched

[Stockfish]

41 minutes ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

As far as i am aware none of those accounts did hate on anyone, so why are those smurf accounts banned ? This looks like escalating the situation.

Marc...

[Norse_Harold]

4 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

I dont think either of those accounts hurt anyone ? Whats the issue ? 50% of the players use smurf accounts without consequences. So why now report those accounts ?

There is a rule against unauthorized duplicate accounts. It's difficult to enforce without "the village" helping moderators enforce it. Moderators tend to only enforce it when there is misconduct done by the user behind those accounts, as in this case.

If someone attacked you on the street, then retreated and put on a disguise, you would be looking for the person behind the disguise too, wouldn't you?

3 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

As far as i am aware none of those accounts did hate on anyone, so why are those smurf accounts banned ?

They're not banned yet. They're being monitored. Help us identify Geriatrix's next new names please. You want him to follow the rules, too, right?

3 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

besides accusing account names such as "mortauxcons" of inciting violence is a bit far fetched

Please read this article. You can translate it with Google Translate by copy/pasting the URL into the source text entry box and clicking on the link that appears in the destination text box. The French phrase "mort aux cons" translates to "death to idiots". It originated in WWII and was associated with statements like there weren't enough bullets to kill all of the idiots. We don't allow players to use names associated with top leadership of National Socialism forces during WWII, and we don't allow them to use names associated with top leadership of Communist forces during WWII. There is historic documentation of genocide committed by both sides. Similarly, the lobby terms of use don't allow players to make statements that imply violence.

I'm glad that you're speaking up MarcusAurelius. It's good to get communication flowing so that we can correct misunderstandings. The goal is not to escalate. The goal is to get a permanent correction of the misconduct. You can help with it. You can talk to your friend and ask him to comply with the rules.

[MarcusAureliu#s]

11 hours ago, Norse_Harold said:

There is a rule against unauthorized duplicate accounts. It's difficult to enforce without "the village" helping moderators enforce it. Moderators tend to only enforce it when there is misconduct done by the user behind those accounts, as in this case.

If someone attacked you on the street, then retreated and put on a disguise, you would be looking for the person behind the disguise too, wouldn't you?

They're not banned yet. They're being monitored. Help us identify Geriatrix's next new names please. You want him to follow the rules, too, right?

Please read this article. You can translate it with Google Translate by copy/pasting the URL into the source text entry box and clicking on the link that appears in the destination text box. The French phrase "mort aux cons" translates to "death to idiots". It originated in WWII and was associated with statements like there weren't enough bullets to kill all of the idiots. We don't allow players to use names associated with top leadership of National Socialism forces during WWII, and we don't allow them to use names associated with top leadership of Communist forces during WWII. There is historic documentation of genocide committed by both sides. Similarly, the lobby terms of use don't allow players to make statements that imply violence.

I'm glad that you're speaking up MarcusAurelius. It's good to get communication flowing so that we can correct misunderstandings. The goal is not to escalate. The goal is to get a permanent correction of the misconduct. You can help with it. You can talk to your friend and ask him to comply with the rules.

I am mainly talking to users reporting those accounts, but anyways, why report those accounts that did not even engage into any fights ? Even if you do not understand or approve the (mostly valid)  points or (sometimes maybe questionable) form of previous criticism by geriatrix you should, if you are serious  not "monitor" those accounts that are just silent, and may be an attempt to break a continuous cycle of conflict. if you want a player to reintegrate into 0 AD society. Besides, i think asking players to "spy" on other accounts to determine wether they are smurf accounts does not create a great atmosphere in 0 AD community, and i must politely decline to do so. 

[MarcusAureliu#s]

Besides, previously reporting geriatrix accounts for calling people spys, and then spying on him seems slightly hypocritical

[ChronA]

11 hours ago, Norse_Harold said:

There is a rule against unauthorized duplicate accounts. It's difficult to enforce without "the village" helping moderators enforce it.

In Salem Massachusetts there was a rule against witchcraft, but it was difficult to enforce without "the village" helping the witch hunters enforce it. If the only tool you guys have to combat this supposed scourge is to embrace mass hysteria then it seems to me the entire enterprise is doomed before it even begins.

So once again, if this is truly such a massive problem, I urge you to consider instituting the only system that has a hope of combating it: a robust social reputation system with carefully tuned incentives. If people are constantly smurfing it's because it gives them all the advantages of having an established account, plus some additional sweetener (whether that is an easier time finding easy opponents to stomp, or not having to behave themselves). So what you have is a massive, non-repeating prisoner's dilemma, where the the optimal strategy is always defect and then put on a disguise for the next round. If you get to the point where most people are engaging this way, eventually even policing will become impossible since it will not be in most agents' self interests to cooperate honestly with enforcers.

To fix this you need a system where newcomers and drifters are treated with suspicion. They do not get access to the most appealing advantages of the system until they establish positive reputations for themselves. Of course then that creates the problem of how do you grow the community is newcomers are prevented form engaging with it? The one I would suggest is gamifying mentorship. Have established users reach a reputation cap that they can only surpass by finding and cultivating new community members who also maintain good reputations.

This how everyone from frontier communities to city states resolved this problem all throughout history. Strangers are treated with due suspicion, but for established actors who take a calculated risk on partnering with newcomers there are favorable incentives to engage with undeserved prospective partners. (Like if you are the only one willing to buy a strange trapper's furs, you get to set the price.) Of course, with 0AD it might be tricky because the only thing of value to anyone is engagement, and there is not much of a natural economy for it. Thus you need an artificial system of rules that provides the right incentives to all parties.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

2 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Besides, i think asking players to "spy" on other accounts to determine wether they are smurf accounts does not create a great atmosphere in 0 AD community, and i must politely decline to do so.

Plenty of players like to try and figure out who a potential smurf is. If it is someone they don't like they are probably more likely to report it. Simple as that. No "smurf task force" has been assembled by @Norse_Harold as far as im aware.

For geriatrix, its super easy to figure out its him: He joins with a new name, and within 5 minutes he is spewing horrible, revolting hate on anyone he doesn't like or anyone who even slightly inconveniences him. He is unable to hide his true colors.

2 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Besides, previously reporting geriatrix accounts for calling people spys,

This thread is about his behavior, and calling leopard a spy is the most benign thing ive seen him do.

2 hours ago, ChronA said:

If the only tool you guys have to combat this supposed scourge is to embrace mass hysteria then it seems to me the entire enterprise is doomed before it even begins.

Mass hysteria??? What is presented here in the discussion is simply a collection of evidence and testaments to his horrible behavior. Far more evidence could be collected, but 90% of players just ignore him. I typically ignore him or mute him as soon as I see the account is his.

Ideally we wouldn't need a reputation system like this in such a small multiplayer community.

[BreakfastBurrito_007]

19 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

50% of the players use smurf accounts without consequences

A lot of players come and go and forget passwords. The 50% who don't face consequences are the 50% who are forthcoming about their actual rank/level of play and their previous account name. 

[Norse_Harold]

3 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Besides, i think asking players to "spy" on other accounts to determine wether they are smurf accounts does not create a great atmosphere in 0 AD community, and i must politely decline to do so

Spying and determining who is behind a smurf account is the only effective means of enforcing a ban, should it be necessary. He wasn't stopping his defamation, insults, arbitrary banning of users from his games, demands for other hosts to arbitrarily ban users from their games, etc., until he realized that he was close to being banned.

Deescalation and reintegration would be great, I would like to see Geriatrix / Cedric_O do that. I think that the only reason he's been quiet is because he is this close to being banned for his behavior.

The next move is not to ignore him and lose track of his suspected unauthorized duplicate accounts.

Edited August 11 by Norse_Harold

[MarcusAureliu#s]

1 hour ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

 

For geriatrix, its super easy to figure out its him: He joins with a new name, and within 5 minutes he is spewing horrible, revolting hate on anyone he doesn't like or anyone who even slightly inconveniences him. He is unable to hide his true colors.

 

Geriatrix has played 0 AD for years without ever beeing involved in any kinds of issues, i think it is important to determine between people like Shyft_Sierre who came to 0 AD to i quote "humiliate" people, and others who are in conflict with some people due to certain concerns or disagreements regarding their privacy. I am the living prove, that by polite behaviour it is possible to get along with Geriatrix. If you are so certain that Geriatrix just joins 0 AD lobby to randomly hate on people, then it should be no issue to wait until he does so.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

6 minutes ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Geriatrix has played 0 AD for years without ever beeing involved in any kinds of issues

I remember a time when he wasn't like this. Its gotten much worse in the last years.

8 minutes ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

I am the living prove, that by polite behaviour it is possible to get along with Geriatrix

Sure, its possible to appease and tolerate, but this shouldn't be required to be treated decently by players online. I think his behavior is pretty much indefensible and its definitely not only about privacy.

[leopard]

2 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Geriatrix has played 0 AD for years without ever beeing involved in any kinds of issues, i think it is important to determine between people like Shyft_Sierre who came to 0 AD to i quote "humiliate" people, and others who are in conflict with some people due to certain concerns or disagreements regarding their privacy. I am the living prove, that by polite behaviour it is possible to get along with Geriatrix. If you are so certain that Geriatrix just joins 0 AD lobby to randomly hate on people, then it should be no issue to wait until he does so.

I never expected this level of hate from Geriatrix too, he escalated the situation every time I try to talk with him.
I think I have already explained everything. It reached a point where he tries to completely isolate me from games.

most people who "ignore" his words slowly and  silently believes what he says, because the geriatrix they knew is a perfectly good person in the past, he has got a reputation for sure, as a gamer and also as a person.

that makes him more powerful in spreading lies against people he don't like.

I have heard from a lot of people the same lies that geriatrix says against norse.
they say they ignore people and they don't care but like TV commercials even if we ignore we believe what is in the Advertisement.

that is what most people do, even if they ignore they believe the lie and keep that as a fact in their mind.
a lot of people are also believing the lies told by geriatix and behave like it is a fact even though they say they ignore and don't care etc.
 

[leopard]

2 hours ago, MarcusAureliu#s said:

Geriatrix has played 0 AD for years without ever beeing involved in any kinds of issues,

also why he should impersonate me and say that the new account is me,

he is trying to do some damage to my reputation may be cause people to hate me by being bad at them,
I got lucky since peter_nubia exposed him fast.
I want everyone to know this if anyone claims that they are me, don't believe them straight away.
also don't think I insulted you if that accounts insults you.

 

[alre]

4 hours ago, Norse_Harold said:

Spying and determining who is behind a smurf account is the only effective means of enforcing a ban, should it be necessary. He wasn't stopping his defamation, insults, arbitrary banning of users from his games, demands for other hosts to arbitrarily ban users from their games, etc., until he realized that he was close to being banned.

Deescalation and reintegration would be great, I would like to see Geriatrix / Cedric_O do that. I think that the only reason he's been quiet is because he is this close to being banned for his behavior.

The next move is not to ignore him and lose track of his suspected unauthorized duplicate accounts.

I wouldn't say that banning or threatening bans is deescalation technically speaking, quite the opposite in fact.

1 hour ago, leopard said:

I never expected this level of hate from Geriatrix too, he escalated the situation every time I try to talk with him.
I think I have already explained everything. It reached a point where he tries to completely isolate me from games.

most people who "ignore" his words slowly and  silently believes what he says, because the geriatrix they knew is a perfectly good person in the past, he has got a reputation for sure, as a gamer and also as a person.

that makes him more powerful in spreading lies against people he don't like.

I have heard from a lot of people the same lies that geriatrix says against norse.
they say they ignore people and they don't care but like TV commercials even if we ignore we believe what is in the Advertisement.

that is what most people do, even if they ignore they believe the lie and keep that as a fact in their mind.
a lot of people are also believing the lies told by geriatix and behave like it is a fact even though they say they ignore and don't care etc.

Never heard anyone mindlessy repeating a commercial.