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0A.D.AlphaIXMod-ImperiaVetera.zipI'm proud to present to you a new mod for 0 A.D. called Imperia Vetera. As the mod is based on an alpha that introduced the final original civilization, Romans, it makes sense to name the mod in honor of their ancient language. Imperia Vetera is "Old Empires" in Latin, and the name itself reflects the vision and the source for the mod. Be aware that this is a so-called "retro" mod. It doesn't and it will not, represent the full features of the original game. Changes when compared to Alpha 9 vanilla. Siege Weapons overhaul: Siege weapons are much better at destroying buildings, but much worse at killing organic units. At the same time, all economic and civic buildings are more vulnerable to hack damage. Building costs overhaul: Overall, higher tier buildings (Fortresses, Army Camps, Gymnasiums, etc.) are now much more expensive to build. This is in part to compensate for the lack of phases. Houses and other civic structures are cheaper, except for Carthaginian apartments (Bets). Champion units: They now cost more population space. Champion infantry costs 2 population, champion cavalry costs 3. So, there is no more champion unit spam. Heroes: All Heroes are now just very powerful units, identical to Greek heroes from Age of Mythology. I'm still working on implementing a training limit. They also cost more population space. Celts and Hellenes can now train only 3 Heroes, the same as other civilizations. Hellenic heroes are Leonidas, Alexander and Themistocles. Celtic heroes are Boudicca, Brennus and Vercingetorix. Mercenaries: They all now train at an Advanced rank. Ranged units: Removed minimum range. Archers were heavily nerfed. Technical changes: All features that weren't implemented, or were implemented partially, were either removed or tweaked. Charge attacks are removed because they didn't work and they were cluttering the UI. Priests are removed, but the Temples now heal faster and can garrison up to 30 troops. GUI buttons that did not work are removed. Civilization pages that showed technologies and bonuses are also removed, as almost nothing was implemented at the time. Population cap is now at 150. In Age of Empires 2 campaigns, you had only 75 population space. I think 150 should be more than enough, considering the lag at higher unit counts. The AI (legacy qBot as base) is now harder, and attacks with more units. Hellenic AI can now train Siege Towers. Towers and Fortresses: Towers are now weaker, but you can build more of them. You can now only construct 5 Fortresses, so turtling is not really an option. Changes not considered: Technologies and phases are not in the game. This is a feature, not a bug. The full mod, changelog and install instructions are inside the ZIP file below. 0A.D.AlphaIXMod-ImperiaVetera.zip

Besides the Fanatics, Spartiates are by far the most broken units in the game. Seriously, these units are insanely overpowered and hard to counter. Can anyone name a unit that can reliably stop Spartiates? I bet you can’t. They hit hard, have massive armor, can promote to Olympic status and even have technologies that make them stronger and faster. The only thing the developers could have done to stop the spamming of this unit was to add a population cost of 2. Unfortunately, they didn’t do that. There are players abusing this by spamming Spartiates in P1, and it’s ruining the game for everyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if some ecobot or clever Sparta player designed this unit to exploit the game by spamming them relentlessly for an unfair advantage. What do you guys think? Any ideas on how to properly nerf or counter these broken units? I believe adding a population cost of 2 to build them would be an effective way to balance this unit. Moreover all Athenian Marines should be nerfed for sure. We’ve already banned Fanatics from our games, and Spartiates definitely need to be banned as well. If the developers don’t nerf these units in the next alpha update and keep introducing unfair, broken units, we’ll have no choice but to keep banning them from our matches to maintain fair gameplay.

Besides the champion cavaliers, Fanatics are by far the most broken units in the game. Seriously, these units are insanely overpowered and hard to counter. Can anyone name a unit that can reliably stop Fanatics? I bet you can’t. They run fast, deal massive damage, and don’t even require metal to produce, which makes spamming them nonstop super easy. The only thing the developers could have done to stop the spamming of this unit was to add metal as a required resource. Unfortunately, they didn’t do that There are players abusing this by spamming Fanatics in P2, and it’s ruining the game for everyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if some ecobot or clever Celt player designed this unit to exploit the game by spamming them relentlessly for an unfair advantage. What do you guys think? Any ideas on how to properly nerf or counter these broken units? I believe adding metal as a required resource to build them would be an effective way to balance this unit. Moreover all cav champs should be nerfed for sure. We’ve already banned Champion Cavaliers from our games, and Fanatics definitely need to be banned as well. If the developers don’t nerf these units in the next alpha update and keep introducing unfair, broken units, we’ll have no choice but to keep banning them from our matches to maintain fair gameplay.

athens champ archer spam is viable no? maurya champ archer spam is good too. Some persians play immortal (cheap archer champ) Kush are ok tiers. Merc cav available. Champ cav in stable, feature of pyramide, bonus heroe ok, large choice of infantery melee, siege tower available, tanky building with tech. Maybe one die we see a proplayer use elefant? but other civ do it better i think but stone dependant for go in a lot of way.

According to @Nescio, the genius that brought us a24 and all the most hated features of a25, that makes it a useful building. What was done to the wonder made zero sense and it should change back or be made otherwise useful. Personally, I think wonder should be made cheaper so there is actually a decision point at the start of p3 where a player decides to (1) push fast with CS, (2) spam champs, (3) get wtf, or (4) get extra pop with a wonder. All four should be valid choices but right now only the first two are viable

Wonder give passively ressource income, and in the past gave a little amount of maximal pop. Today you have to build it with a lot of builder and they waste ressource for 2Min tech, instead spam champ. It useless in basic game, only useful on long game for average player. It only good for win by wonder in funny game. And have a big temple -- Many old technologies have already been removed, and the game is evolving. Maybe we can come up with something better.

Athenians Anyway theses wall suck because we lost the property of wall in gaia territory except let a hole for cross, you can't control the door. Nothing to add, you right, but why this kind of building cost METAL? they should cost stone and wood. Britons No opinion, but i vote for a upgrade tech for dogs. With expensive cost in P3 600 food 600 metal. They pop level max then. Carthaginians If we implement this technology, it will become indispensable. And I don't think that's good. For example, if we use stone, it slows down the various game options available for Carthage (slinger mercenaries or stable/barack spam). Perhaps we could come up with a different idea? For example, after 12 civilian constructions, the technology becomes free (same mechanism as the technology where you need three traders to harvest from allies). Gauls Bonuses Suggestion: Nerf eco bonuses (similar to Ptolemies, who pay with slower build times). Lets go Kushites Option 1 is legit Good idea to give a little advantage for compensate the building cost.. need a maurya as ally I don't understand his bonus for reduce the cost of same units( what unit it is??), i think the healer reduction is interesting (even if we don't use a lot, it should work on briton heroe healer!) They have 2 heroes ok so its fine Ptolemies +1 ; / think its a big up of ptol but thye need something to pump them. Let's try it. But could be (win time for will to fight or build wonder in some mod of game), but their P3 is very stone dependant (and it slingers civ..) so they need something for deal with other civ Romans Agree it not balance, it should't convert alive unit, just change the next unit. Onagre is not already 3? Spartans Agree, and delete the malus on training time skirmish? General Balance Capture System Currently: Large houses = 550, small houses = 500 (small houses are OP). Suggestion: Large = 550, Small = 350. it already the case, they have 4 capture instead 2,5 no? Theses units don't have capture attack.. it why. And it the reason i don't like siege building, easy to loose it, it was funnier when siege was train in fortress. Disagree, we should have some common rules, infantery champ = 5 capture attack. Marines have also 5 and they are cheap. - I prefer we delete this tech Little clarity, no fun, we don't know exactly what it brings, some civs have it some don't have it, so we might as well encourage having more buildings. Rome have alreayd a little bonus So no opinion This building hasn't found much use. We have no idea how much extra space we'll end up with. It could be either OP in some cases or completely unnecessary. This is a big topic. Previously, melee units were just cannon fodder to receive hits. But we realized they should be good in infantry combat too. Without more talk we can't change something. Disagree, i think it normal they are expensive. Have quality should be expensiver than have quantity. If archers become better, all META can change, take care Melee unit received a lot of buff, maybe we can have a tech for increase the speed of upgrade unit archer? Why not Disagree, i prefer people train healer or micro the low life unit. Disagree, annoying turtle Why not This tech afford a really uninteresting mechanic. let's delete it. Until we find a better way to balance this building The only funny thing is garnison 50 unit. Barter Suggestion: +1 Please don't add tech in market ahah Siege Techs Siege already op. don't up them

The worst nightmare is to let it grow and have it be Mauryans or Persians, they spam like crazy. It is vulnerable to rush.

I see your point, and I agree that this alpha brought more variety and dynamics in team games compared to older versions. I also like that captures add another layer of tactics. Also I think a lot of strategy of today were usable in past too. It more about how people play and communicate. I remember 2 big army in phase 2 could take a CC even with 20 citizen troop inside even in previous alpha. My concern is mostly about late game (Phase 3) when some strong buildings like CCs or fortresses can still fall relatively quickly to capture. In those cases, I feel destruction (with siege or units) should remain the primary way, otherwise capture sometimes feels too cheap compared to the investment in defending and upgrading. Tower seems annoying to use (put men inside etc) for a low result and easy capture. 3 or 5 men can't give enough capture resistance. But you can tell me we can obstruct access to the tower, it true and I do. I will try do more tower for have an opinion Maybe the solution is not to make captures impossible, but to adjust ratios depending on the building type and upgrade level. Civilian buildings and light towers could remain easy to capture, but core military buildings (CC, fortresses, barracks with garrison) should require much bigger numbers unless the attacker has already crippled them. If you play a civ with hero elefant you can't have a CC with hero garnison. That way, we could keep the current dynamics you enjoy (more tactical choices, not always relying on siege), while still ensuring that capturing a well-defended CC in late game doesn’t become too much of a shortcut. What do you think of this middle ground? Just run on cc and then capture all building is annoying. It should be exceptional situation. if you invade an enemy without army to defend or refusing the fight, you still can capture and destroy some building in my point of view, they enemy will be hurt and he don't recovery easy. He still has to micro for garnison some men in the important building, just less. It open also the strategy of counter attack in some way. also i said " here’s always the option of heavily damaging a building to force the garrison out before attempting to capture it. " with some military tech, the cc it easy to destroy if your opponent have no army. I will add in the most of situation, except if you retard spam them, palisade give a fake feeling of security (and that's normal for the low cost of ressource invest), they are easy to destroy if you right clic with an entire army on it. I like a lot turtle and protect my building with other building for win some time.

When there is champion spear cav, the naked fanatics are an effective counter. But now the champion spear cav is banned, the power of the naked fanatics begin to show in TGs. Their problem is speed, damage and decent durability combined together. Although less unbeatable than champion cavs, they have no particular weaknesses and are cheap to make. There are no parallel units for any other civs in phase 2, which makes them OP. In the past, they were truly fragile and costed metal, so they weren't great as late game units / meatshields. But now, it's too easy to spam them and Gauls just got a hypercharged spearman unit that nobody has. This breaks the inter-civ balance. Suggestion: 1. Fanatics cost metal. 2. Fanatics get no shield, or at least are not affected by shield upgrades.

Hi, I would like to discuss some potential changes to champion cavalry units and their role in the game. Currently, many players dominate by spamming large amounts of spear champion cavalry in late game. It is becoming the common theme and is getting a bit monotonic. This is fine, however, it causes a few issues: Factions without champion spear cavalry suffer in late game: Athenians, Spartans, Mauryas and Britons have little defense against large numbers of spear cavalry champions. More spam and less strategy: early attacks and other creative plays always loose to one player who decides to spam large quantities of champions Monoculture army Champions should be elite, rare and cherished, not spammed en masse. I am not saying they are too OP at all; each single champion unit is not significantly stronger than an infantry unit. The issue is the numbers. My suggestion is to make champions only producible from certain buildings, for example the Imperial Academy of the Han civ, or only allow them to be porduced from fortresses. With this constraint imposed, we can turbo up their stats to even higher values so that they can be used strategically as true distinct champions and not just spammed upgraded soldiers. The late game is still a game of strategic fights and not spam. It also doesn't make sense that the same stable is training units of different classes. Elites need better environments and need longer time, so they should get their own buildings. Same applies for infantry champions. Let me know what you think

Changes so far, when compared to Alpha 9 vanilla. Siege Weapons overhaul: Siege weapons are much better at destroying buildings, but much worse at killing organic units. At the same time, all economic and civic buildings are more vulnerable to hack damage. Building costs overhaul: Overall, higher tier buildings (Fortresses, Army Camps, Gymnasiums, etc.) are now much more expensive to build. This is in part to compensate for the lack of phases. In the future, there may be some form of requirements for certain buildings, similar to StarCraft. Champion units: They are now much stronger than Citizen Soldiers, but also cost more population space. Champion infantry costs 2 population, champion cavalry costs 3. So, there is no more champion unit spam. Heroes: All Heroes are now just very powerful units, identical to Greek heroes from Age of Mythology. I'm still working on implementing a training limit. They also cost more population space. Celts and Hellenes can now train only 3 Heroes, the same as other civilizations. Hellenic heroes are Leonidas, Alexander and Themistocles. Celtic heroes are Boudicca, Brennus and Vercingetorix. Technical changes: All features that weren't implemented, or were implemented partially, were either removed or tweaked. Charge attacks are removed because they didn't work and they were cluttering the UI. Priests are removed for now, but the Temples now heal faster and can garrison up to 30 troops. GUI buttons that did not work are removed. Civilization pages that showed technologies and bonuses are also removed, as almost nothing was implemented at the time. Population cap is now at 200. In Age of Empires 2 campaigns, you had only 75 population space. I think 200 should be more than enough. I considered reducing it to 150, but it could have made some scenarios hard. The AI (legacy qBot as base) is now harder, and attacks with more units. Roman AI can train Marian Legionaries from the Army Camps, while Hellenic AI can now train Siege Towers. Towers and Fortresses: Towers are now weaker, but you can build more of them. You can now only construct 5 Fortresses, so turtling is not really an option. Changes not considered: There are some features that won't be included. For example, does it make sense for our civilizations to research "Iron Plow"? No, so technologies that can be researched won't be included. For the short term, I will explore other options for bonuses, that don't require compiling the game from source. I would like to implement auras on the more basic level. More changes and testing is on the way. I will provide more when the testing of the current changes is complete in Single player.

This mod reports gameplay that should not be possible in 0 A.D. without mods. Currently, in 4v4 matches, new or aspiring players are never informed about which mods are being used or how they affect gameplay. Instead, it’s implicitly assumed that everyone already knows the players and their supporting mods. With these quick in-game messages, players at least receive basic information and can further discuss the implications - whether in the match itself or on the forums. Install by putting the zip in the right folder: On Windows (Vista or newer): C:\Users\{name_of_user}\Documents\My Games\0ad\mods\ On OSX: ~/Library/Application Support/0ad/mods/ On Linux: ~/.local/share/0ad/mods/ (may be found in GUI via Home/.local/share/0ad/mods/) Quick start triggers the chat message: "Units receives automated commands by %(player)s at turn %(turn)s (v01)" Clicking tools like the razor rapid fire triggers the chat message: "Automated clicker makro detected by %(player)s(v01)" If a player does not send a command in 30 seconds triggers the chat message: "%(player)s has not send a command in 30s (v01)" Market Exploit "%(player)s has bought %(buy)s shortly after selling it for %(sell)s (v01)" Elexis set up the mod template for me to fill. Lag is atm. not accounted for, so during heavy lag it could trigger false positives. I tested it in a few games and didn't had false positives. Report if it behaves weird and some thresholds should be changed. Some features that should be added: turning off in game or handle 2 players with the mod to limit spam Current version: 02 oddity_detector.zip oddity_detectorv00.zip oddity_detectorV01.zip oddity_detector V02.zip

then how you go attack his base for stop the fanatic spam? you send 30 spearmen CS acrros the map??

you picked mercenary XD plus how you do with a civ of archer? i'm agree fanatic OP on situation, not all time . If you build wall, have a civ with good civ, didnt start spam cav in 4vs4, etc, etc etc etc plus we don't know why gauls has a extra tech of food. You know this kind of bonus don't make civilizations unique, it just makes them unbalanced.

Dakara illustration is better than yours @Deicide4u. Somehow you can’t make sense because you don’t play multiplayer. Regardless of any illustration here you can’t compare the devastating effect of fanatics in game on TG. It’s a game changer. From starting at P2 up to the end where you can spam up to 25 fully upgraded (from blacksmith) infinitely, how can you stop it? I’ve seen it. Cavalry being microed as well as infantry they just dropped and when they killed all fanatics another more than 20 sets comes in again and again. as I’ve said they might get countered in 1v1 but in team game it’s going to be pain.

To underline, the the CS, which cost 2000 in res, defeated the fana, which cost 1540 in res. The fana also cost more food, the slowest resource to gather, than the CS, so the 1540 vs 2000 res comparison understates how CS were fairly close in price and the below example shows it even more because that example has fana as more expensive. Moreover, the fana player had to build multiple temples, which cost adds extra cost and time, while the CS army was built those 20 units several minutes before the fana player even went p2. Consider that the CS player could easily push the fana player before this or get upgrades with those extra res cost and it is hard to imagine how anyone thinks fana are OP unless you let the fana player spam them or try to fight them with cav

Its not about metal. Its about a way to stop fanatics spam in p2. Locking them in p2 and unlocking in p3 is other way to stop abusing fanatics in p2 too. Without requiring metal for them.

Almost every time you post a complaint it is because some unit/feature makes your Carth merc cav rush weak. Better players disagree. Not all cav requires metal. Others have given you examples on how fana can be countered but you just ignore it and repeat your same complaints. This doesn't really matter. Food is gathered more slowly and is also more vulnerable compared to metal. The only challenge with metal is that it sometimes runs out but that is less of a problem since the maps were redone to spam more metal. Games are rarely won because one side runs out of metal faster than the other, and when it does occur it is usually because the side running out of metal squandered their champs/mercs with a bad KD, which is the actual reason why they lost. Personally, I like that fana have different input costs because it allows for more diverse strategies. (@TheCJ: you aren't considering upgrades--metal and farms are both collected at the same rate without upgrades but food upgrades increase speed by 20% while metal upgrades increase speed by 25%. It nets out to where food is about 12% slower in p3 for most civs)

They are broken because spearmen cant counter them U can get metal easily like how u get wood easily from trees Also with abit turtling u can spam them

Hi, i don't like age of empire for this reason, too much counter of counter. 0ad fight are cool,you don't need too much knowledge. Yes, fanatics are strong. You have to know how to reduce their strength (remove their armor and shield?) or reduce their spam (increase the resource cost). We can even imagine the downgrade to a "mercenary" unit, I mean not champion but not citizen. So it would be a rank 2 unit that costs wood and food. They keep their strength against the cav and can harass a little but less. But above all, their control capacity with the high capture attack is removed. Banning units is not the solution so we have to find a solution, what do the people on the balance team think?

Thanks Atrik for these interesting charts, for Kush is it possible for you to tell us the proportion of mercenary spam for these top evenings? I'm curious Ptol are not bad yes , they have a different way to play them, but why they are "slow"?

This error spam occured in the middle of a TG. There was a lot of action and a lot of pathfinding happening at the time. Cavalry going through forests etc. ERROR: Error in timer on entity 17694, IID7, function RepeatRangeCheck: TypeError: this.template[type] is undefined Attack.prototype.GetRange@simulation/components/Attack.js:450:12 UnitAI.prototype.GetRange@simulation/components/UnitAI.js:6272:19 UnitAI.prototype.MoveToTargetRange@simulation/components/UnitAI.js:4741:19 UnitAI.prototype.MoveToTargetAttackRange@simulation/components/UnitAI.js:4773:15 enter@simulation/components/UnitAI.js:2321:16 FSM.prototype.SwitchToNextState@globalscripts/FSM.js:366:14 FSM.prototype.ProcessMessage@globalscripts/FSM.js:274:8 UnitAI.prototype.ProcessMessage@simulation/components/UnitAI.js:4385:15 Attack.prototype.StopAttacking@simulation/components/Attack.js:566:14 Attack.prototype.RepeatRangeCheck@simulation/components/Attack.js:468:8 Timer.prototype.OnUpdate@simulation/components/Timer.js:140:44 The game was able to resume with no other visible problems. interestinglog.html

It's getting out of control. Is it possible to do something about it?

They are. I should they should match speed. The counter doesn't really work otherwise--when enemy has a speed hero fana are basically useless since they lose against inf spam and can't engage cav. Anyways, the easiest way to counter fana is with inf spear becauce fana are too expensive to match spam. I'm pretty sure @Seleucidsmade this post while watching me play fana earlier today. I've been playing fana a lot lately. I've found that they're actually strongest in champ cav games provided that enemy doesn't have speed hero. Fana easily beat enemy champ cav and make that player effectively useless while still being able to do raiding damage.