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The pigments used by Franck Mathieu (it is one of his re-enacted Cisalpine warrior for one of his book) are totally natural. By natural, I mean based on products you can find in the nature and very little chemistry involved (heating, mixing etc.). Is it historically accurate? Maybe not. Some products, although natural, are difficult to get depending of the region, like some specific minerals. Did they were enough trade to get them? We don't have enough evidence for this yet. The colors from this re-enacted warrior is a bit exaggerated by the saturation of the numeric picture yes indeed. Moreover, the pigments are fresh and everything is in a good state, little used. It is maybe the main problem with natural pigments: their durability. In fact it is really easy to get any color from natural plants and minerals, even purple. The problem is that their color and bright doesn't stay long with the humidity. The best and overpriced pigments were the ones that stay longer. Then yes, the colors are general too bright on re-enactors. In this case, a Cisalpine warrior, it is really possible to find this kind of crest on a Gallic warrior. There was quite a few Italic equipments found in the burials of Cisalpine Celts, even pilum. This kind of crest is also found on Celtiberian pottery. Probably they were not common on the whole continent for the Gauls. The attested typical Gallic crest are these: And very probably these kinds:

Wow. Amazing work, @Alexandermb You really did something great. It is so great to see the facing griffins/birds/dragons symbols, these are symbols very popular on the continent from the 4th to the end of the 3rd century BC. The variations you did with the shapes and the spina are really great too. For the Britons, you can make the long and narrow shape of the Witham shield. For the spina shape, you can make an oval spina like on these shields, I don't think you have done it yet: You can also re-use the small square shield of the slinger. Although it doesn't need really any modification, nor any shield bosses. For the Gauls, I think there are enough different big shield shapes. If you want you can add a medium large oval shield like it is depicted on this early La Tène scabbard: For both Celtic factions, I think it should be great to do the medium size and rectangular shape of the Clonoura Shield: Now for shield bosses, I can suggest you for the Gauls these early/medium La Tène version: For the Gauls again, the shield bosses of the Late La Tène phase:

Nice jobs! @Alexandermb

1 is the lattis (or lathwork). 4 is the orle (edge protection) 5 the spina. 6 the umbo (or shield boss) 7 is the manipula (or handle) Another schema for the shield, in French. Most of the names are in fact Latin or medieval.

Yeah the problem is that there are very few helmets found in Britain. Maybe the Berru helmet could be used as well, as the British Celts are connected to the Early phase of La Tène, when even the Gauls used mostly chariots. It is a small divergence from accuracy but it still plausible. This version of the Berru typology has a hole for a crest, feather, decorative-what-ever-thing: https://www.akg-images.fr/archive/-2UMDHURMT72S.html The Mill Hill Deal crown head-band can be used as well: And finally, boar figurines are known in Britain, thus maybe one crested on helmet is possible as well.

Ah yes. I understand. In this case, it is only simple choices for the helmets and shield bosses. Maybe a few textures too. But nothing that could be weird for a casual player.

I don't understand, I am not saying this.

@Sundiata @Nescio @stanislas69 A question about how much do you want to respect an accuracy about the weapons for the game. Currently there is an evolution of the weaponry on a large timespan that is used by the artists to design the units. 4 centuries of differences, it is mandatory that it ends a bit anachronistic. It is not really that bad, but I want to ask your opinion first. We can either let it like this, using all the items we want on the same unit to add the maximum of varieties. No regards for accuracy between the items used by an unit. For example a Berru helmet (5th / 4th century) and a shield with a round shield boss (1st century BC) on the same unit. Or we can follow simple guideline for the unit upgrade with experience. For example the infantryman get a Montefortino helmet (4th / 3rd century) in his advanced version but when he reaches the elite version he get a later helmet like the Alesia or the Port helmet. The same logic for the shield bosses. Thus each upgrade from experience follows a temporal evolution logic. Which is fairly simple, it is only Early and Middle La Tène versus Late La Tène. Or a logic based on the moment the unit got available. Village = Early La Tène ; Town = Middle La Tène; City = Late La Tène. The champion units will only have Late La Tène equipment. Finally, a mixture of 2 and 3.

Generally, the round spina (without the long staff parts) is a feature of the late La Tène, 1st century BC. As with the round shield boss that goes on it.

I would say yes. The Salisbury shields show a lot of variation and there is even one with a long spina (the spina is the number 5 on this schema):

Yeah maybe it was a bit harsh. In fact, I understand the choice of the Polybian era, but it makes the things quite complicated to keep everything accurate within this time-frame.

Examples of body paint

Personally, I would have preferred a Roman faction going from the Latin Wars to the Anthony's civil war. It is more interesting to have a faction that can evolute, from the Camillian army to the Cesarean army. Moreover, there aren't any strict boundaries for the Roman evolution. Nor for the culture, nor for the society, nor for the army. Things like the "Marian reforms" never existed, these are the kinds of popular beliefs spreading over the Internet. Edit: but it isn't the place to discuss this. For the ships symbols, I suggest the Janus double-face, the She-wolf with a ROMA writings and the Pegasus. There is a coin with an eagle from the thied century bc, I put it above. It could be used as well.

Roma is indeed attested on Roman coins. Well, the Roman faction is only about Polybian era isn't it? In the book of Mary Beard, she says it can be traced up to Cicero era:

Sorry to disappointing you but: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/italy/8907425/Romulus-and-Remus-symbol-of-Rome-could-be-medieval-replica.html Moreover, "SPQR" started to be used only through the 1st century BC.

A few legends from the Titans are suspected to come from the Minoan civilization. Rhea for example. Others gods like Posidaeja and Britomartis are from them as well. The minotaurus legend too.

If you want different Greekish factions, you can add varieties from Mycenean and Minoean cultures.

This one too, very similar: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sextans_(coin)

My sketches (don't laugh). A suggestion to display the standards in front of the rows as symbols of each "pagus" (smaller tribe or even clans) where the members are sitting. Two carnyx could be leaning against the balustrade (wooden frame) on the front scene.

Ok, then I understand better. I was trying to do something simpler to not make Celts OP for the others factions. What about a choice of regional champions for the Gauls? Gauls roster: Village Swordman - Cingetos (generic term for warrior fighting in the front line). Javelin skirmisher - Bagauda (bellicose/fighter) Lance cavalry - Excingos (attacker, who-get-out-to-fight). Town Champion naked warrior (spearman) - Bariogaisatos (furious spearman). Fast and scary for fresh recruit (bonus against basic version of units ?) Sword cavalry - Eporedos (cavalryman). Spearman - Ambactos (who-is-around, attested word from Caesar for Gallic retinue and clients).  Slinger - Telmiuicos (slinger) City Champion sword horseman - Comaterecos (patrician) Archer - Selgos (hunter) - Archers. Upgrade for the slinger? One champion chosen by the player from this list during the third phase: Champion Lance cavalry - Epouanos (horse-killer). Anti-cavalry special unit. Regional Celto-Germanic. Champion Swordsman - Soliduros (Bodyguard). Regional Aquitanian. Champion Axeman - Namantobogios (smasher of enemies). Regional Rhaetian (eastern alp). Based on an unique find, difficult to interpret.

This is a hard one. If I do a backward construction from the Irish "dealbh", it should be something like "deluos".

I want the Thalamegos!!! Joke aside, if it can help you : THE LOST PALACE: Hellenistic Palace of Alexandria https://www.academia.edu/6703691/THE_LOST_PALACE_Hellenistic_Palace_of_Alexandria_Julia_Gruhot_ARTH_302 reconstruction of the palace area in Alexandria https://www.academia.edu/4662183/reconstruction_of_the_palace_area_in_Alexandria

For me it is absolutely not a problem. Spearman, swordsman, cavalry, skirmisher, slinger... these are very common in any "barbarian" culture. But if they have all the same roster and that currently the same stats for each type, it could become boring. I don't know if you are talking about the vanilla game or about a mod. Is it more balanced like this? Different starting units but with the town phase they are more similar with their new units. Gallic roster: Village Swordman - Cingetos (generic term for warrior fighting in the front line). Javelin skirmisher - Bagauda (bellicose/fighter), Talanos (support person). or Adretos (who moves fast, attacker). Sword cavalry - Eporedos (cavalryman). Town Champion naked warrior (spearman) - Bariogaisatos (furious spearman). Fast and scary for fresh recruit (bonus against basic version of units ?) Spearman - Ambactos (who-is-around, attested word from Caesar for Gallic retinue and clients).  Slinger - Telmiuicos (slinger), Uassos (meaning servant/vassal) or Talanos (supportive person). City Champion sword horseman - Comaterecos (patrician) or Uerouicos (victorious warrior, great fighter) Archer - Selgos (hunter) - Archers. Upgrade for the slinger? Champion Lance cavalry - Epouanos (horse-killer). Anti-cavalry special unit. Brythonic roster: Village Spearman - Catucos (combatant), Batacos (combatant) or Batoros (who-hit-hard, fighter). Javelin skirmisher - Bagauda (bellicose/fighter), Talanos (support person). or Adretos (who moves fast, attacker). Light cavalry with javelins - Gaisaredos (Javelin on horse, mounted), Gaisatoredos (Javelinist on horse), Adretos (who moves fast, attacker) or Bagauda (attested for horsemen as well during the Gallo-Roman rebellion). Town Slinger - Telmiuicos (slinger), Uassos (meaning servant, attested word) or Talanos (support person). Lance cavalry - Marcacos (cavalryman). Marcos is another word for the horse, more common in the island than in the continent. Swordman - Batoros (who-hit-hard, fighter) or Excingos (attacker, who-get-out-to-fight). The Caledonians are described as using longswords and small shield and the Picts are described fighting naked. War-Dogs - Agrocuna (battle/bloody/killer dog) City Champion chariot warrior - Esseda (war chariot). The Britons use war chariots with a driver and an elite warrior, they throw javelins from it and continue the fight on foot (possibility for the unit to transport one infantryman ?) Champion swordsman - Argos (battle champion, noble), Donnouicos (noble warrior, noble fighter) or Adscoros (attendant, retainer). Champion skirmisher infantryman - Caur (old-Irish for champion) or Art (old-Irish for champion and bear). A propose an Irish elite javelinist, with a historical irish shortsword. If the double weapons switch is implanted, it could be an interesting unit. Polyvalent. 

For me it is ok. The technic to circle the barrel with iron is already known at this time, since it is used to do the same for chariot wheels. Ok! I will try to do some sketches.

Yes I understand. It is not necessary urgent, maybe Wacky and Alexander can help for these things in the future. Good question. By checking on the literature, I think there is a huge diversity of typology during the Gallo-Roman period: https://www.persee.fr/doc/galia_0016-4119_2001_num_58_1_3179