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...just kill the phants with ranged inf, then gather the food with melee cav.

And yes, automicro of ranged cav is removed in next alpha, so you have to micro the ranged cav when attacking a phant too, as you had with ranged inf.

Btw, wondering why such a great player as you are not participates in svn (a18) testing/balancing... ;)

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Btw, wondering why such a great player as you are not participates in svn (a18) testing/balancing... ;)

Yeah I know i'm sorry... I got busy at work and then busy with the videos and then I tried to install the SVN on my mac but failed and I thought it was already to late to give my review for alpha18 actually. I'll help for alpha 19 for sure (gonna get a monster maxi best of PC soon)

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Hey guys, I realized one thing with my latest game (I put the video on the youtube topic), about gaia's elephants.

They just destroy spear-man cavalry (if you don't micro your cavalry while hunting) and I think that it makes maps (with elephants) not very balance for every civilization.

For example in my game there were many elephants but I was playing Romans so on phase 1 no range cavalry. I never had any trouble while hunting elephants before but I didn't realize that it has always been with range cavalry.

Elephants are an amazing source of food and a civilization starting with range cavalry will imo really have an advantage over a civ like Romans on a map like that.

Aren't the elephants doing to much damage to spear-man cavalry? Or is it on purpose to give some advantage/disadvantage to civs on different maps?

Unless I'm mistaken, elephants (and other passive-aggressive gaia animals) will focus solely on the first unit that attacked it, which means you can attack the elephant with one unit and then micro that single unit around in circles while the rest of your hunters kill the elephant.

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Unless I'm mistaken, elephants (and other passive-aggressive gaia animals) will focus solely on the first unit that attacked it, which means you can attack the elephant with one unit and then micro that single unit around in circles while the rest of your hunters kill the elephant.

Hey Scythe,

Yes, and actually I really like the fact that we need to micro while hunting these beasts (more realistic). I just didn't like the fact that it was unfair that with some civ you have to micro but with other civ you don't need to micro (because of the auto-range of skirmisher cavalry).

But I heard this is gonna change on Alpha 18 and all civ will have to micro while hunting so it's good, no problem.

Thanks for your answer.

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It would be interesting if the Sharks would attack fishing boats haha

Mother mercy please, no

it's like jaws simulator

you know that movie scared the @#$% out of me as a kid. never took a bath again. only showers

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I would like it if in a team with bots. You get commands. For instance saying "help" the bot will send all available units to the place where the code is detecting things getting hurt or enemys in that area. And if you say "stop" they cancel an attack. Another command is saying "send all units to (one of your buildings or enemys). I hope this gets implemented into alpha 18 :)

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I would like it if in a team with bots. You get commands. For instance saying "help" the bot will send all available units to the place where the code is detecting things getting hurt or enemys in that area. And if you say "stop" they cancel an attack. Another command is saying "send all units to (one of your buildings or enemys). I hope this gets implemented into alpha 18 :)

It's not going to appear in Alpha 18 as Alpha 18 is just about out, but we'll see what the AI developer/s are up to for future versions :)

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Sorry if this has been asked before but I think the guard function or something like it needs to be expanded. It should be possible to have one group guard another. E.g 10 melee cav guarding 20 archers without running off to fight or staying in place when the archers move. Keeping them together can be an issue. Grouping them together doesn't really solve the problem as they still end up separated in battle.

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Or something where grouped unit's all move at the same speed as if in formation as they travel. Otherwise end up with cav arriving years before infantry. Spreading out of troops can be an issue. Getting your entire army destroyed while traveling from a to b because they're in a long line is frustrating. Perhaps something that determines how far away from the centre of the group soldiers can move, adjustable in game.

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Or something where grouped unit's all move at the same speed as if in formation as they travel. Otherwise end up with cav arriving years before infantry. Spreading out of troops can be an issue. Getting your entire army destroyed while traveling from a to b because they're in a long line is frustrating. Perhaps something that determines how far away from the centre of the group soldiers can move, adjustable in game.

are many things related to pathfinder , then relating to formatios then to related with planned features like Charge movement.

I mean not all is finish and many features if are not working can be reworked.

I Agree about group escorting system too.

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Ok here's a new idea. Basically armies need supplies. Archers and skirmishers etc did run out of arrows, which does not happen in 0ad ATM. Obviously implementing a count for the number of spears a unit has is tedious and annoying for the player. However the fact remains units had to stock up on weapons etc (although they often took them from the battlefield). Perhaps you could implement a system which slightly increases or decreases unit attacks based on their relative position to a weapons stock building. Such a building would have a large radius from which all your units inside it would fight better. Civic centres would also act in this way. It could be built in your own or neutral territory quickly. The player would have to juggle between attacking with full force and leaving the weapons store open to a flanking attack etc or leave some troops behind to guard it (you could also send troops to smash the other guys). It would not add a huge amount more complexity for the player and would be another thing that's stands out about 0ad. Hope this post hasn't been done already, weren't about to read 147 pages of this lol.

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Well we've had the suggestion about a million times, i was recently so frustrated with the inability to balance ranged units properly that i considered that i make a reboot post on it (you beat me to it! D:)

Generally i think the best way to do it would be the way warrior kings does it:

Ranged units attack at max speed when supplied, when they run out of supply, they slowly regenerate supply (very slowly, like 1 supply every 10/20 seconds) But if they are nearby a supply caravan, they'll get 1 supply every 2 seconds. (which won't supply their max attack speed fully, but keep it up to scratch)

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1 population carriers. :D

I kind of like the idea on paper, but it'd be a mess to implement in the current unit set, I think.

Personally I'd start with some dps reduction and a big HP reduction and see where things go from there. It's hard to get these numbers right, for sure.

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Oh geeze... Had no idea it had been done so much before lol. I guess what I noticed is that the team (from what I've read on the forums) cannot really agree about the balance between archers and skirmishers so was originally thinking maybe a second reload time. For example skirmishers who throw 5 spears with maybe a 1 sec gap between, not sure what it really is, then they have to reload and spend 2 secs collecting their next 5 spears from their feet(bit annoying having around 30 spears on ones back, they prob stuck some in the ground or whatever). Archers might get to shoot 20 arrows but have to get another set in 7 secs. Player would need to compensate for their troops reloading by using spare infantry etc. Meh, just thinking up stuff. Things like the one above could help balance troops. Atm it looks like you trade this for that but that leaves this other thing too OP etc. Not enough things to take into consideration maybe? Or could be too much, not sure. Either way good luck.

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As far as Archers vs Skirmishers go, I propose that Archers have longer range and higher pierce armour, while Skirmishers have weak armour (pierce and hack), shorter range, but higher damage.

Hopefully as a result of that skirmishers will be used for 'skirmishing', and archers for long range support and/or defence.

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As far as Archers vs Skirmishers go, I propose that Archers have longer range and higher pierce armour, while Skirmishers have weak armour (pierce and hack), shorter range, but higher damage.

Hopefully as a result of that skirmishers will be used for 'skirmishing', and archers for long range support and/or defence.

Why should archers have high piercing armor? Skirmishers have a shield, so they should have high piercing armor IMO.

Maybe I'm missing the hole point, but I'd go from the realistic point of view and do balancing afterwards.

So:

- Units with a shield have higher armor in general

- Javelin range < sling range < bow range < (most) ranged siege engine range

- Damage is hard to argue on because usually one hit can kill, so use this for balancing

- Melee units should have higher armor and/or life in general to enable them to reach ranged units when massed (This is quite hard to argue for but at least shield bearing melee units - while not attacking - can use all their perception to defend themselves against projectiles - up to a certain size)

In general I'm not sure if a "balancing discussion" will get us really far in the end.

Statistically based anonymous multi-player unit usage would get us much further IMO, at least for the fine-tuning.

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Several unit tooltips haven't been properly cleaned up.

Iberians

Champion Cavalry Skirmisher

Mauryans

Yoddha

War Chariot

All three heroes

Persians

Babylonian Scythed Chariot

Ptolemies

Nabataean Camel Archer

Nubian Mercenary Archer

Seleucids

Dahae Horse Archer

Scythed Chariot

Thracian Mercenary Swordsman

Spartans

Spartan Hoplite

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Suggestion on mercenary unit:

Make them cheaper, but auto-consume certain amount of resource on a fixed interval (for example: 1 metal every 10 minutes, per unit).

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