Yekaterina Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 (edited) Link to my fork: https://github.com/Yekaterina999/xiongnu/tree/82533199e7442c4201e6642657ce8d906ec06d8f Here is the default Xiongnu Structure tree freshly cloned off github: Proposed changes: 1. I like the idea of archer women - increase their attack slightly to 4 pierce? 2. Since they use the double curved bow, make their default cavalry archer offer stronger attack than default value for other civs, but less than champion archers? 3. Some P3 buildings perhaps? 4. Increase the armour of some units? 5. Give them a dedicated corral for animal farming and a cavalry stable, so that units are trained faster and animals can be bred faster? 6. More champions? Edited June 3, 2021 by Yekaterina 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki1950 Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Most nomad women doubled as small game hunters and camp defenders most children where put at on a horse before they could walk usually in front of a parent or older sibling. Enjoy the Choice Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 9 hours ago, Loki1950 said: Most nomad women doubled as small game hunters and camp defenders most children where put at on a horse before they could walk usually in front of a parent or older sibling. Make women javelineers? I feel like these people already have enough archers just looking at the male population. Spartan women could throw javelins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Current Xiongnu unit and structures roster: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 4 hours ago, Yekaterina said: Make women javelineers? I feel like these people already have enough archers just looking at the male population. Spartan women could throw javelins. These people were born to use the bow, they did not even use slings and there is no evidence of javelins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Maybe heroes, we have names and everything else just implement them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 1 minute ago, Lopess said: Maybe heroes, we have names and everything else just implement them. Dale el link así ella no se atrasara. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Made some changes: 1. Separate animal farms and cavalry stable. 2. Women cost 50 food 30 wood, otherwise booming is too difficult. 3. Women offer 9 pierce but range is only 30 metres as opposed to 72. 4. Women get health boost and armour boost. 5. Fixed some inconsistencies with other A25 aspects Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 However, I don't know how to push my updated folder onto git. I am on Fedora Linux and I only have command line, so please can you tell me what commands I should use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 12 minutes ago, m7600 said: They need a Wonder. Statue of Chanyu? Can you make one please 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 @m7600This? But if the mounds just look like little hills from the outside it probably won't look impressive as a wonder... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 I believe that all civilizations have to have their wonder, even if in our view it is something "dumb". I believe that for the Xiongnu of that time what really fits most are these royal tombs. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 @LopessI didn't call it "dumb", I was just wondering if it could be visualized nicely as a wonder. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 42 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said: @LopessI didn't call it "dumb", I was just wondering if it could be visualized nicely as a wonder. I didn't say you said that, so much so that I didn't quote you, it's my words. I'm not an English speaker ok. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 2 minutes ago, m7600 said: For the purposes of the Wonder, the tricky thing about this civ is that they were nomads. In general, nomadic people didn't make monumental buildings, though there are exceptions (According to some scholars, Stonehenge for example might have been built by Paleolithic nomads). I like what Age of Empires did with the Mongolian Wonder: it's the Great Tent of Genghis Khan. I don't know if the Xiongu had a similar Great Tent. If they did, that could be their Wonder. Dude this is a good idea!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 Might be fanciful, but a large wooden horse was my idea. Horses (and other animals of the steppe) were sacred to them, as shown in their artwork and jewelry. A huge wooden horse would be "permanent" enough for a wonder, but impermanent enough to have wasted away due to time. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 33 minutes ago, Lopess said: I didn't say you said that, so much so that I didn't quote you, it's my words. I'm not an English speaker ok. I just wanted to clarify. I'm not a native English speaker either. [Peace!) 40 minutes ago, m7600 said: the Great Tent of Genghis Khan. I don't know if the Xiongu had a similar Great Tent. If they did, that could be their Wonder. 33 minutes ago, m7600 said: This is what the Great Tent of Genghis Khan looks like in AoE2, together with a historical painting of it's interior. We don't know what this tent looked like in reality, we only know that it existed. But that gives more freedom to artistic interpretations Yeah, hm. If we know that Tongwancheng existed, maybe take artistic interpretations on that? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 2, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 I like the Gengis Khan tent but Genghis Khan was born 1000 years later than the timeframe we are talking about. However, if you can send me the model I am sure I can name it something else, like 'Greate Yurt of Chanyu' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted June 2, 2021 Report Share Posted June 2, 2021 "The city was built by around 100,000 Xiongnu of the Hu Xia dynasty under the command of Helian Bobo (Emperor Wulie) in 419. Helian Bobo, also known by his sinified surname as Liu Bobo, was a descendant of the Xiongnu chanyu who founded their steppe empire in the 3rd century BC. Helian Bobo died in 425 AD, and Helian Chang succeeded him as ruler of the city." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tongwancheng A little out of time? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 15 minutes ago, m7600 said: There's no model, Age of Empires 2 is a 2D game. They might have made the 2D assets with 3D software, but it would be impossible and illegal for anyone outside of the makers of AoE2 to have such files. Ok np can u or any artist make one then? no hurry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 22 minutes ago, m7600 said: If I understand correctly, Tongwancheng was an entire city. If we're going with this, I'd say it would have to be a specific building in that city. I'm sure something could be made out of this. 15 minutes ago, Lopess said: A little out of time? Wouldn't it be wonderfully wondrous if that wonder was built maybe a little earlier by 'our' Xiongnus than widely assumed? Just sayin' it might be less of a stretch to take something they actually had than fantasizing about some tents or wooden horses they might've had... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 'cheng' means a city in Chinese. I have noticed that many of the Xiongnu names are Chinese, even the word Xiongnu itself is clearly Chinese. I asked my Chinese teacher about this and he said that many Xiongnu terms are in Chinese because Xiongnu people had no written text surviving, all of the sources were Han Chinese books. Tongwancheng has become a part of PRC. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted June 3, 2021 Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 17 minutes ago, Yekaterina said: 'cheng' means a city in Chinese. I have noticed that many of the Xiongnu names are Chinese, even the word Xiongnu itself is clearly Chinese. I asked my Chinese teacher about this and he said that many Xiongnu terms are in Chinese because Xiongnu people had no written text surviving, all of the sources were Han Chinese books. Tongwancheng has become a part of PRC. What language did the Han Chinese speak? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yekaterina Posted June 3, 2021 Author Report Share Posted June 3, 2021 5 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: What language did the Han Chinese speak? Chinese, but with weird accents and illegible handwritings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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