Lopess Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 With this topic I would like to open a discussion on how to add at least two heroes and a champion unit for the Zapotecs in Terra Magna, in addition to future improvements always looking for the most historically accurate but without forgetting the gameplay, which I currently believe very affected the lack of certain units in the Zapotecs. Even with the current data we do not have from the old Zapotec kings (even with some studies still under development of the Zapotec script in which it is believed to have identified some names from the 4th, 5th century etc.) Even with the lack of translated names, we are aware of the existence of a strong and centralized state in the Oaxaca valley since at least 500 B.C. Zapotec ceramics can help us with representations of both kings and great warriors. I researched for a long time about the zapotecs and I believe that they can be improved and that they have an incredible potential to be a good civ in Terra Magna using the same period as the other factions of the 0 a.d. I am willing within my limitations to create what is necessary to implement the changes. I believe that we can create a mini test mod with changes depending on terra magna before applying any changes. I invite everyone involved in Terra Magna to comment on your ideas as well as all fellow modifiers / researchers. Of course if you want. Sorry for any wrong translation, I'm not an English speaker. http://www.famsi.org/zapotecwriting/ https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zapotec_civilization 5 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted July 13, 2020 Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 The "Battle Priest" could be upgraded to hero status, and then we can add a "Warrior King" hero unit. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 5 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The "Battle Priest" could be upgraded to hero status, and then we can add a "Warrior King" hero unit. That would really be an interesting idea, but maybe an upgrade to a champion Sarcedoth warrior would be better? Since the "monarchy" Zapoteca would be hereditary, diverse inscriptions of monuments in Monte Alban exist that make reference to the hereditary right of the King. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: The "Battle Priest" could be upgraded to hero status, and then we can add a "Warrior King" hero unit. Many of the ideas I speak of are in this study available on the Famsi website. On page 25 there is a probable line of Zapotec kings. In addition there are several interesting images of elite warriors (Warriors Noble Champions ???). http://www.famsi.org/zapotecwriting/zapotec_figures.pdf Edited July 14, 2020 by Lopess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 13, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 13, 2020 (edited) Some interesting prints: The champions besides padded armor could have a cape and carry a big spear. Cited locations https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lambityeco https://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Huijazoo Edited July 13, 2020 by Lopess 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinketos Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 WIP 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Trinketos said: WIP Which unit? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinketos Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Which unit? The King 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Trinketos said: The King May I suggest he be called the "Monarch." Just sounds cooler. lol Unless there's a cool sounding native title. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinketos Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: May I suggest he be called the "Monarch." Just sounds cooler. lol Unless there's a cool sounding native title. Well in zapotec is Coquitao. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Lopess Posted July 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 I am trying a different approach, a little more similar to reconstruction. 4 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) Something interesting that in the pre-classical / classical period, the zapotec monarchs are almost always represented with helmets and jaguar clothes, sometimes even as half-jaguar beings, half-men. Edited July 17, 2020 by Lopess 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asterix Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Lopess said: I am trying a different approach, a little more similar to reconstruction. Is not that bit cartoony? Maybe it is because it is low poly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinketos Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 1 hour ago, Lopess said: Veo que en las referencias algunos tienen capa y otros tienen esas hombreras. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 (edited) 39 minutes ago, asterix said: Is not that bit cartoony? Maybe it is because it is low poly. Unfortunately my knowledge in blender is greater than in textures, I accept help in that part. But the helmet itself has more than 2000 triangles, more than many Hellenistic helmets in the game. Edited July 17, 2020 by Lopess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 If you can you should try to simplify your geometry though 2300 triangles is three time as much as the whole base mesh... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 49 minutes ago, Trinketos said: Veo que en las referencias algunos tienen capa y otros tienen esas hombreras. ¿Qué tal si abrimos un github para estas modificaciones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 2 hours ago, Lopess said: I am trying a different approach, a little more similar to reconstruction. That's pretty amazing man...! Really.... 2300 tris ain't nothing for a King Why not just call them "Jaguar Lords"? Sounds super cool and apparently what they are referred to by one of your sources. 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sundiata Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 Just now, Sundiata said: 2300 tris ain't nothing for a King I just saw that there are way too many triangles in those three little nobs on the side of the headdress. You'll barely even notice them when zoomed in. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinketos Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 ZapotecKIng.7z 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trinketos Posted July 17, 2020 Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 36 minutes ago, Sundiata said: I just saw that there are way too many triangles in those three little nobs on the side of the headdress. You'll barely even notice them when zoomed in. Also the eyes have extra poligons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lopess Posted July 17, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 17, 2020 I lowered it to 1,180 triangles. I changed the texture a bit to make it a little less cartoonish 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 (edited) If you don't mind, in Delenda Est I will go with my original idea for the heroes and make the "Battle Priest" a hero and the "Jaguar King" a hero, just so they can have a choice just like the other civs have a choice. If I do this, do you have any suggestions for the auras? Each hero in Delenda Est has these attributes: Primary Aura (ranged, 20-50 meters) or Bonus The bigger the range, the lower the effect; the shorter the range, the greater the effect "Bonus" could be like Agis, where he has 3x more health than other heroes, or be like Leonidas who has greater attack than other heroes, or Iphicrates who is much faster than other heroes, etc. Secondary Aura (global) or Bonus "Global" means it covers the whole map for as long as the hero is alive. Global auras tend to be weaker in effect because they cover more units/structures. Special Technology Unlocked in Town or City phase. Mount or other personal Upgrade in City Phase. Most heroes can upgrade to a war horse (all of the Roman heroes) or chariot (Cambyses and Xerxes). Leonidas upgrades to a frenzy mode. Socrates upgrades to campaign armor. Since Zapotecs don't have horses, they can maybe upgrade in some other way as Leonidas and Socrates do. Edited March 13, 2021 by wowgetoffyourcellphone 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted March 13, 2021 Report Share Posted March 13, 2021 The scout may well be a runner. 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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