sphyrth Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 By January I am hoping to budget my way towards an Intel NUC Kit. But before I do that I need to know whether the upgrade is worth it, or the difference between my current machine and that NUC is too negligible that I should save up more for a more powerful machine. Current Specs: Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E655 @ 2.33 GHz Memory: 3.9 Gib (I'm stuck with this because for some reason the hardware won't let me install 64-bit OSes) Graphics Card: NVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce GTS 250] Future Specs (Intel NUC 7PJYH): Processor: Intel Pentium Silver J5005 1.5GHz~2.8GHz Quad-Core Relevant Cards: Intel HD Graphics 605 and HD Audio Memory: (I can decide now) BTW I initially planned to upgrade my Graphics Card only. But then I realized that my video editing would still suffer from that 32-bit problem. So, I decided to buy a new machine instead. So, what do you guys think? Is it good enough, or should I get another processor type? (I also need a machine that safely supports Linux) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 The graphic card (Integrated) will likely be a bit light :/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiley Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 1 hour ago, sphyrth said: Intel Pentium Silver J5005 1.5GHz~2.8GHz Quad-Core That 2.8GHz is the max single core perf. But usually it’s just 1.5GHz. Apparently, given the right scenarios, it would reach 2.8GHz. I wouldn’t assume that for most practical usages, it would exceed 1.5GHz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyrth Posted September 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 Judging from your comments, my planned machine will be impractical for me. Any suggestions? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 Well if you still need to got with a NUC eventually you might look at https://libretrend.com/product/librebox/ (Still no gpu which sucks) Maybe something like this depending on your budget https://www.amazon.com/Intel-NUC-Performance-G-Kit-NUC8i7HVK/dp/B07BR5GK1V/ref=sr_1_4?keywords=intel+nuc+amd&qid=1569763899&sr=8-4 (I remember AMD GPU support to be clunky on linux though) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiley Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 (edited) Indeed. While their CPUs are top-notch, AMD cant seem to get a good graphics driver out. (I dont know if that is really the case now). Both intel and nvidia got decent drivers though. *drivers for linux. I am sure their cards work nicely on windows Edited September 29, 2019 by smiley Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Loki1950 Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 My laptop is all AMD they have open sourced their Linux driver to the Mesa foundation there are two versions the standard mesa driver and and advanced one that is separately maintained to support AMD's implementation of Open Graphics Language it is usually available though a third party repo ppa on 'buntu based distros other distros tend to follow that model might have to brush up your google-fu to find it. Enjoy the Choice 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 an i7 or new i5 with a decent gpu. Unless you save that for later. For me is better buy a desktop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gabbysouthworth Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 7 hours ago, sphyrth said: By January I am hoping to budget my way towards an Intel NUC Kit for playing casino games. But before I do that I need to know whether the upgrade is worth it, or the difference between my current machine and that NUC is too negligible that I should save up more for a more powerful machine. Current Specs: Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E655 @ 2.33 GHz Memory: 3.9 Gib (I'm stuck with this because for some reason the hardware won't let me install 64-bit OSes) Graphics Card: NVidia Corporation G92 [GeForce GTS 250] Future Specs (Intel NUC 7PJYH): Processor: Intel Pentium Silver J5005 1.5GHz~2.8GHz Quad-Core Relevant Cards: Intel HD Graphics 605 and HD Audio Memory: (I can decide now) BTW I initially planned to upgrade my Graphics Card only. But then I realized that my video editing would still suffer from that 32-bit problem. So, I decided to buy a new machine instead. So, what do you guys think? Is it good enough, or should I get another processor type? (I also need a machine that safely supports Linux) Agree with Lion.Kanzen better buy desktop. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 29, 2019 Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 @feneur can you lift his post limit ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyrth Posted September 29, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2019 Not gonna lie @gabbysouthworth. That was harsh, but it completely drove the point. So it ended up funnier than mean. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyrth Posted September 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Looking at the situation, I'm still 2-4 years off to get decent specs. I realized that my budget is sitting around the equivalent of $250... nowhere near your marks. If ever I get my i5 machine, can I still use my current GPU, or does that thing need to be replaced as well? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Depends on what you intend to play with it ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyrth Posted September 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 So here's the only most taxing thing I will do to my computer: Watching a typical 4v4 0 A.D. Replay + SimpleScreenRecorder As of the moment, my machine struggles with 1v1 max pop. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smiley Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 (edited) Then I would push for something with high single core performance. For what you plan on doing, your current setup is kinda better than the new one since it has a higher base freq. (its not specific to 0AD. Most games run pretty heavy algorithms on a single core) Although, your current processor is a discontinued line which does not seem to have the max turbo freq pushing thing. Edited September 30, 2019 by smiley 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 As a reference https://gpu.userbenchmark.com/Compare/Nvidia-GeForce-GTS-250-vs-Intel-UHD-Graphics-605/m7741vsm487064 Of course it's by no mean an absolute measurement but you can get a pretty good idea of the difference. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyrth Posted September 30, 2019 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 Thanks guys! You've saved my potentially wasted money. I'm scrapping the NUC for my gaming rig. Its inability to install a GPU has become a deal-breaker. (But I'm buying a cheaper one for my office work). If I got the idea correctly, a good budget build would include a Core i5 with a GPU that's at least better than my current one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 try save for a cpu i5 last generation as minimum, most of game ask this as minimum. For example this is minimum requiriment for Residen Evil 7 Quote OS: WINDOWS 7,8,8.1,10 64-BIT Processor: Intel Core i5-4460, 2.70GHz or AMD FX-6300 or better Memory: 8 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA GeForce GTX 760 or AMD Radeon R7 260x DirectX: Version 11 Additional Notes: 1080P CPU/GPU at 30FPS Players will have to either lower texture or set streaming textures to OFF in order to optimize performance. For 0 A.D this is enough RAM. For Resident Evil 2 Biohazard Quote Requires a 64-bit processor and operating system OS: WINDOWS® 7, 8.1, 10 (64-BIT Required) Processor: Intel® Core™ i5-4460 or AMD FX™-6300 or better Memory: 8 GB RAM Graphics: NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 760 or AMD Radeon™ R7 260x with 2GB Video RAM DirectX: Version 11 Storage: 26 GB available space 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OptimusShepard Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 I would recommend an AMD Ryzen apu. You get a lot of CPU and GPU performance for less money. And in the future you will have the opportunity to upgrade to a graphics card. The Linux Mesa drivers for AMD gpus also work very well. e.g. (PC Mindfactory Germany) Ryzen 2200G ~80€ B450 Mainboard ~65€ 8GB DDR4 ~40€ 128GB SSD ~20€ ATX Supply ~35€ ATX Case ~20€ comparison gpu comparison cpu 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 9 hours ago, sphyrth said: If I got the idea correctly, a good budget build would include a Core i5 with a GPU that's at least better than my current one. My strategy in building long lasting PCs is to bought a correct CPU and to upgrade the GPU after some months/years. 8 years ago, I put 220 CHF in a i5 2500k and recently I was able to play Assassin Creed Origins on decent settings. Simply by upgrading one time the GPU during these 8 years. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 23 minutes ago, Genava55 said: My strategy in building long lasting PCs is to bought a correct CPU and to upgrade the GPU after some months/years. 8 years ago, I put 220 CHF in a i5 2500k and recently I was able to play Assassin Creed Origins on decent settings. Simply by upgrading one time the GPU during these 8 years. GPU? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 4 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: GPU? Now an Asus RX560 I got on a sale. Before it was a GTX 460 OC, again got on a sale 8 years ago. Both were able to run AC: Origins but clearly it was a bit difficult for the GTX. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 RX560 some recommended offers? Online? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted September 30, 2019 Report Share Posted September 30, 2019 @wowgetoffyourcellphone your specs ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sphyrth Posted October 1, 2019 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2019 With enough push, I'm convinced planning with the AMD route. It's actually the obvious choice both in budget and gaming purposes. But please understand that my reluctance is because of its shaky Linux support. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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