Lion.Kanzen Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 4 minutes ago, Obskiuras said: Hi, the civic center and the market are not finished, i made a special building for the champion units and the farmstead is the difinitive model based in old concepts. The drawings ar not made to scale, the size of the buildings i leave to you, the fortress i will make it later. We have default sizes for store house and market. https://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/ArtScaleAndProportions Footprint size Building Name(s) 2x2 Outpost, Defense Tower, Sentry Tower 3x2 Wall Short 3x3 House, Wall Tower 5x5 Farmstead, Storehouse, Corral, Blacksmith 6x2 Wall Medium 6x6 Barracks, Temple, Dock, Stables 7x7 Fortress, Shooting Range 8x8 Civic Center, Field, Market, Elephant Stables 9x2 Wall Long, Wall Gate 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alexandermb Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 @Obskiuras give me a color palette for the faction walls Stones/Woods, Wicker. etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 3 minutes ago, Alexandermb said: @Obskiuras give me a color palette for the faction walls Stones/Woods, Wicker. etc. I don´t have many colors but now i look at that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 10 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: We have default sizes for store house and market. https://trac.wildfiregames.com/wiki/ArtScaleAndProportions Footprint size Building Name(s) 2x2 Outpost, Defense Tower, Sentry Tower 3x2 Wall Short 3x3 House, Wall Tower 5x5 Farmstead, Storehouse, Corral, Blacksmith 6x2 Wall Medium 6x6 Barracks, Temple, Dock, Stables 7x7 Fortress, Shooting Range 8x8 Civic Center, Field, Market, Elephant Stables 9x2 Wall Long, Wall Gate About the special building the "great hall", what size are you going to put? Edited August 19, 2019 by Obskiuras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 1 minute ago, Obskiuras said: About the special building the "great hall", what size are you going to put? That is more free, but @wowgetoffyourcellphone is the boss here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 19, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 Is the great hall in lieu of a fortress (would make sense)? Also need a Stable and Archery Range. The Battering Ram can come from the Great Hall or Blacksmith, so no need for a Workshop. I'm thinking the Civic Center can go sideways with the entrance on the long side (like the current Millennium AD Norse cc) and the Great Hall could long lengthwise with the entrance on the short end. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted August 19, 2019 Report Share Posted August 19, 2019 (edited) 16 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Is the great hall in lieu of a fortress (would make sense)? Also need a Stable and Archery Range. The Battering Ram can come from the Great Hall or Blacksmith, so no need for a Workshop. I'm thinking the Civic Center can go sideways with the entrance on the long side (like the current Millennium AD Norse cc) and the Great Hall could long lengthwise with the entrance on the short end. It´s true that it was not usual for the Germanic tribes to have defensive methods such as building fortresses but i thing is harmful to the gameplay of this faction not to put fortress. The "great hall"can be used as a workshop but they need to have a fortress although with less armor and less life. Edited August 19, 2019 by Obskiuras Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Obskiuras Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Going back about units, i propose three units champions: 1) Heavy swordmen (that one is already spoken) 2) Berserker, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker) Úlfhéðnar - wolf warrior. The romans colled it "furor teutonicus" 3) Women archer or spearwomen (debatable) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 13 minutes ago, Obskiuras said: Going back about units, i propose three units champions: 1) Heavy swordmen (that one is already spoken) 2) Berserker, (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Berserker) Úlfhéðnar - wolf warrior. The romans colled it "furor teutonicus" 3) Women archer or spearwomen (debatable) https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Berserker#/Úlfhéðnar_–_wolf_warriors That word looks to be Norse, yes? What about Wolfskrieger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 3 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: https://www.wikiwand.com/en/Berserker#/Úlfhéðnar_–_wolf_warriors That word looks to be Norse, yes? What about Wolfskrieger? I really dont know about germany lenguage but if you know more about that i leave it to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) Quote There are warriors depicted as bare-foot, bare-chested, bearing weapons and helmets that are associated with the Germani. Scene 36 on the column shows some of these warriors standing together, with some wearing bearhoods and some wearing wolfhoods. These are auxiliaries (scene 36): Spoiler There are even possible legionaries (wearing lorica segmentata) with animal hoods (scene 50): Spoiler The bare-chested Germani are here: Spoiler Edited August 20, 2019 by Genava55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 5 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Wolfskrieger Proto-Germanic for wolf is *wulfaz, becoming wulf in most of the old version of the Germanic languages. *harjaz and *krīgaz are the proto-germanic reconstructions for army and war (krieg). 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 35 minutes ago, Genava55 said: Proto-Germanic for wolf is *wulfaz, becoming wulf in most of the old version of the Germanic languages. *harjaz and *krīgaz are the proto-germanic reconstructions for army and war (krieg). How would everything be written together? "wulfazkrieg"? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 47 minutes ago, Obskiuras said: How would everything be written together? "wulfazkrieg"? I don't know I am neither a linguist, neither good enough in German. Úlfhéðinn should give something like Wulfhidanaz. Wolfskrieger should give maybe Wulfaharjaz. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Enough of linguistics, let´s go back to the units, the rol of the women in te germanic army: women archer or spearwomen? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Why not both you can do it now to be randomly one or the other Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 22 minutes ago, Obskiuras said: Enough of linguistics, let´s go back to the units, the rol of the women in te germanic army: women archer or spearwomen? Bow and arrows are pretty scarce before the 3rd century AD. Female warrior burials never suggested any archery. Spear, axe or sword are better options. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted August 20, 2019 Author Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 13 minutes ago, Genava55 said: Spear, axe or sword are better options With the new phenotype system, I can add female versions of each of these units. Do you have any good references for what they've worn? Edited August 20, 2019 by wowgetoffyourcellphone Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 10 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Do you have any good references for what they've worn? Female burials suggesting female warriors have generally little or none indication for the common outfit encountered in other female burials. Even the adornments are those commonly found in male burials. I do not think there are correct representations. So you have "carte blanche", anyway I won't nitpick (I do not care). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 1 minute ago, Genava55 said: Female burials suggesting female warriors have generally little or none indication for the common outfit encountered in other female burials. Even the adornments are those commonly found in male burials. So there is not any clothing reconstruction from this period that was made ? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 (edited) 17 minutes ago, Stan` said: So there is not any clothing reconstruction from this period that was made ? There is the french association Limitis. It is not perfect because they kinda mix everything labeled "Germanic" into one cultural group that never existed but at least they tried to portray the Germans before the Migration Period. Edit: And when I said " I do not think there are correct representations", I was talking about the female warriors. The Przeworsk in its whole is badly documented, without any visual representation from the Romans. Generally, people are simply transposing the things of the Elbgermans to all the others because these are the only ones with artistic representations for this period. Is it wrong? Probably... but how much? hard to tell. It could be huge or small. See how big are the differences in the Celtic world, between Hispanic, Britannic and Central European Celts Edited August 20, 2019 by Genava55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 Yeah I also meant for the women which suck. Since we had the opportunity to correctly depict them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 6 minutes ago, Stan` said: Yeah I also meant for the women which suck. Since we had the opportunity to correctly depict them For the women in general there are depictions. But as I pointed it out, probably the female warriors would have used a more manly outfit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted August 20, 2019 Report Share Posted August 20, 2019 So they represent them in Total War but i don´t know if it is historically correct Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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