Hannibal_Barca Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 Hi all I've been thinking on how to make game experience more fun, add some history and make civs even more unique. Why not make a tech for dedicating your temple to a certain god and receive some bonus connected to that deity's function? It would be a triple tech (you choose one of three - @elexis said that this isn't implemented yet but could be done with a little effort) I've gathered together 3 deities for each civilization (except mauryans) and have written a little description I'd appreciate any suggestions as to the bonuses, I was thinking something not too big but that could make a difference Here they are Athenians Athena Consecrate your temples to Athena, goddess of war, crafts and wisdom. Demeter Favour the goddess of harvest and agriculture Demeter above the other gods and win her patronage by erecting statues to her. Poseidon Dedicate your temples to Poseidon, god of the waters, earthquakes and horses. Britons Nodens Sacred Grove of Nodens: Found Sacred Groves across your empire to Nodens, god of healing, hunting, dogs and the sea. Teutatis Sacred Grove of Teutatis: Found a Sacred Grove at each of your temples to Teutatis, protector and war god. Esus Erect statues to Esus, God of War and Destruction at your temples. Carthage Ba'al Hammon Temple to Ba'al: Worship Ba'al Hammon, Chief God of Carthage and god of fertility and vegetation. Astarte Followers of Astarte: Venerate Astarte, goddess of fertility, motherhood and war in your temples. Milqart Followers of Milqart: Dedicate your temples to Milqart, protector of Tyre and its colonies. Gauls Epona Erect statues and idols in your temples to venerate Epona, goddess of horses and riding . Rosmerta Dedicate your temples to Rosmerta, goddess of warmth, fertility and abundance. Segomo Follow the war god Segomo and his warlike ways. Iberians Ataegina Dedicate your temples to Ataegina, goddess of Spring, rebirth and fertility. Lugus Shrines to Lugus: Build shrines across your empire to the god of crafts and learning, Lugus. Cariociecus Sacred Grove of Cariociecus: Found a Sacred Grove at each of your temples to Cariociecus, an Iberian war god. Macedonians Artemis Dynatera Dedicate your temples to Artemis Dynatera (All-powerful) to earn her patronage. Zeus Consecrate your temples to divine Zeus to receive the benefits of his favour. Thaulos Turn away from the Twelve Olympians to worship Thaulos, the Macedonian god of war. Mauryans Jainism Encourage Jainism and its views throughout your empire. Buddhism Encourage Buddhism and its views throughout your empire Hinduism Encourage Hinduism and its views throughout your empire Persians Anahita Strengthen the ancient religion following Anahita, Goddess of fertility, healing and wisdom. Ahura Mazda Follow the path of Zoroastrianism and venerate Ahura Mazda, The Lord of All. Mithra Honour Mithra, god of the sun, justice, contract, and war in your temples. Ptolemies Serapis Choose the worship of Serapis to be your state religion Anubis Re-establish the cult of Anubis, god of the Afterlife. Horus Dedicate your temples to Horus, god of war, hunting and sky. Romans Jupiter Worship Jupiter, King of the Gods. Erect statues to him in your temples and receive his patronage. Neptune Dedicate your temples to mighty Neptune, Lord of the Sea. Vulcan Worship Vulcan, god of fire, volcanoes and the forge. Seleucids Nabu Dedicate your temples to Nabu, Babylonian god of wisdom, rational arts and literacy. Apollo Hecatus Worship Apollo Hecatus (Shooter from Afar) and receive his patronage. Ahura Mazda Favour Zoroastrianism in your empire and dedicate your temples to Ahura Mazda, Bestower of Wishes. Spartans Ares Consecrate your temples to Ares, God of War. Artemis Aegina Erect statues in your temples to Artemis Aegina (Wielder of the Javelin). Aphrodite Areia Revere Aphrodite Areia (Warlike) in your temples and win her favour. I hope I have some of you interested Lastly, new icons would be needed for these techs. They would be based mainly on the symbol(s) of that deity (an owl, trident, hammer&anvil, dog) I'd greatly appreciate anyone with the skills to help me with this, it is an interesting challenge, there may be some willing to try 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloooy0 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 cartaginians The tanit goddess in the Balearic culture is well represented and studied quite well and since the symbol is an icon of that goddess will be more "canonical" http://www.ibizaisla.es/hippie/tanit-ibiza.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 3 minutes ago, soloooy0 said: cartaginians The tanit goddess in the Balearic culture is well represented and studied quite well and since the symbol is an icon of that goddess will be more "canonical" http://www.ibizaisla.es/hippie/tanit-ibiza.html Indeed I considered Tanit but favoured Astarte over her because I recall the Sacred Band is in her name. Also not both because some sources say they are the same But since Tanit is the consort of Baal they could be put together Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloooy0 Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 is posible build tanit altar for aura work-little- at produciton or similar in my zone more ,more influence of tanit at Until today Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatherbushido Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 (not convinced by the proposal) 3 techs: it seems hard to do from the gui point of view (at least with the current pair tech model). (Not really directly related but #3689) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grugnas Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 As far as i understandd this new feature would/could introduce a deeper "build tree" that probably the game isn't actually ready yet to embrace. Is that devotion choice 1 time only per game (perhaps in order to prevent exploits)? if so, isn't it implementable as upgrade? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 8 minutes ago, Grugnas said: As far as i understandd this new feature would/could introduce a deeper "build tree" that probably the game isn't actually ready yet to embrace. Is that devotion choice 1 time only per game (perhaps in order to prevent exploits)? if so, isn't it implementable as upgrade? You choose 1 deity that you dedicate all temples to. Otherwise it would be too complicated and exploitable Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thorfinn the Shallow Minded Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I think that Horus should be replaced with Isis. The Isis Cult was a far reaching religion that embodies Ptolemaic culture; elements of Isis are incorporated into Hellenistic religion, much like the case of Serapis. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted August 17, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 11 minutes ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said: I think that Horus should be replaced with Isis. The Isis Cult was a far reaching religion that embodies Ptolemaic culture; elements of Isis are incorporated into Hellenistic religion, much like the case of Serapis. Good reasoning, I'll probably do so Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 2 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: Indeed I considered Tanit but favoured Astarte over her because I recall the Sacred Band is in her name. Also not both because some sources say they are the same But since Tanit is the consort of Baal they could be put together Tanit was the most important everywhere in the Punic and Berber worlds; representations of her: |_o_| / \ /___\ or _o_ /_\ vastly outnumber those of all other deities combined. That she could be equated with Astarte or tied with Ba'al Hammon (or locally with Ba'al Melqart) is irrelevant; she had many temples of her own. Neptune and Vulcan have never been more than just minor gods in Rome. The most important Roman gods in its early history were the archaic triad of Jupiter (the elite (kings, senators, equites)), Mars (citizens, farmers, hastati, principes, triarii), Quirinus (the poor masses); Saturn (agricultural god; the state treasury was also housed in his temple); and Hercules (very popular everywhere in Italy, had many temples). Iuno, Minerva, and Venus were only slightly less important. Likewise I could go on and criticize the poor choice of gods for the other factions. However, I won't do this; your idea is certainly nice (it reminds me of AoM), feel free to develop it further, although I have to agree with fatherbushido that the merits are questionable. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 I have a similar concept in another post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 17, 2017 Report Share Posted August 17, 2017 under temple section, I propose adoration of a war god, a fertility goddess and another god. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted August 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 I've heeded several observations and have changed the list accordingly Athenians Athena Consecrate your temples to Athena, goddess of war, crafts and wisdom. Demeter Favour the goddess of harvest and agriculture Demeter above the other gods and win her patronage by erecting statues to her. Poseidon Dedicate your temples to Poseidon, god of the waters, earthquakes and horses. Britons Nodens Sacred Grove of Nodens: Found Sacred Groves across your empire to Nodens, god of healing, hunting, dogs and the sea. Teutatis Sacred Grove of Teutatis: Found a Sacred Grove at each of your temples to Teutatis, protector and war god. Esus Erect statues to Esus, God of War and Destruction at your temples. Carthage Ba'al Hammon Temple to Ba'al: Worship Ba'al Hammon, Chief God of Carthage and god of fertility and vegetation. Tanit Followers of Tanit: Venerate Tanit, virgin goddess of war, motherhood and fertility in your temples. Milqart Followers of Milqart: Dedicate your temples to Milqart, protector of Tyre and its colonies. Gauls Epona Erect statues and idols in your temples to venerate Epona, goddess of horses and riding . Rosmerta Dedicate your temples to Rosmerta, goddess of warmth, fertility and abundance. Segomo Follow the war god Segomo and his warlike ways. Iberians Ataegina Dedicate your temples to Ataegina, goddess of Spring, rebirth and fertility. Lugus Shrines to Lugus: Build shrines across your empire to the god of crafts and learning, Lugus. Cariociecus Sacred Grove of Cariociecus: Found a Sacred Grove at each of your temples to Cariociecus, an Iberian war god. Macedonians Artemis Dynatera Dedicate your temples to Artemis Dynatera (All-powerful) to earn her patronage. Zeus Consecrate your temples to divine Zeus to receive the benefits of his favour. Thaulos Turn away from the Twelve Olympians to worship Thaulos, the Macedonian god of war. Mauryans Jainism Encourage Jainism and its views throughout your empire. Buddhism Encourage Buddhism and its views throughout your empire Hinduism Encourage Hinduism and its views throughout your empire Persians Anahita Strengthen the ancient religion following Anahita, Goddess of fertility, healing and wisdom. Ahura Mazda Follow the path of Zoroastrianism and venerate Ahura Mazda, The Lord of All. Mithra Honour Mithra, god of the sun, justice, contract, and war in your temples. Ptolemies Serapis Choose the worship of Serapis to be your state religion Anubis Re-establish the cult of Anubis, god of the Afterlife. Isis Dedicate your temples to Isis, goddess of health, marriage and wisdom. Romans Jupiter Worship Jupiter, King of the Gods. Erect statues to him in your temples and receive his patronage. Hercules Dedicate your temples to mighty Hercules. Saturn Worship Saturn, god of wealth, agriculture and liberation. Seleucids Nabu Dedicate your temples to Nabu, Babylonian god of wisdom, rational arts and literacy. Apollo Hecatus Worship Apollo Hecatus (Shooter from Afar) and receive his patronage. Ahura Mazda Favour Zoroastrianism in your empire and dedicate your temples to Ahura Mazda, Bestower of Wishes. Spartans Ares Consecrate your temples to Ares, God of War. Artemis Aegina Erect statues in your temples to Artemis Aegina (Wielder of the Javelin). Aphrodite Areia Revere Aphrodite Areia (Warlike) in your temples and win her favour. 12 hours ago, Nescio said: Likewise I could go on and criticize the poor choice of gods for the other factions. However, I won't do this; your idea is certainly nice (it reminds me of AoM), feel free to develop it further, although I have to agree with fatherbushido that the merits are questionable. Go ahead and criticize As for the "poor choice" of gods, I try to choose a fitting god for each civilization, meaning for example although Apollo is revered in Sparta a lot, he is mainly a god of archery, poetry and music so I opted instead for his sister Artemis (in this case with an epithet) In any case, I was undecided about the last deity for Sparta(currently Aphrodite) so feel free to suggest In some instances like with the Seleucids, players are given the option to choose between Greek (Apollo), Babylonian (Nabu) and Persian (Ahura Mazda) gods. These are the 3 "main" branches of religion in the Seleucid Empire. Likewise with Macedon although Thaulos is not a widespread god you nevertheless are given the option of choosing a local god over the Olympians Players should be able to choose between obscure, ancient and new religions I got that idea partially from RTW: Barbarian Invasion I like the Eastern Roman Empire and playing as them at the start Christianity (many cities and the faction leader and heir are Christian) has already taken strong roots and Paganism (represented by Sol Invictus and Mithras) is on the wane. Nevertheless, I often opt to choose to revitalize Paganism by demolishing Christian structures and changing the Faction Heir to someone pagan. (No offence to Christians, this is only a personal and strategic decision) While this is a slightly different example, why not be able to do the same in 0 A.D.? If I prefer Thaulos over the Olympians I am able to choose him as Cheif Deity of Macedon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Romans Jupiter mayor god / father of others gods Ceres the goddess of agriculture Mars all romans are proud sons of mars.the god of war. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted August 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 32 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: Romans Jupiter mayor god / father of others gods Ceres the goddess of agriculture Mars all romans are proud sons of mars.the god of war. Thanks! Also by any chance would you know anyone who can make icons? They don't have to be 100% quality just that they kind of fit in with the others in style. I was thinking of the main symbols of each god on the icons Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 The symbol can be eas to be made by me. Show me something similar in artistic aspect and I'm able to imitate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloooy0 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 romans Romulo&Remo??? the founders of rome this new thec effect at other Priests medic + new tech ? as the zapotecs temple ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 1 minute ago, soloooy0 said: romans Romulo&Remo??? the founders of rome this new thec effect at other Priests medic + new tech ? as the zapotecs temple ? Estamos hablando de dioses. No all play TM. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
soloooy0 Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 2 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said: Estamos hablando de dioses. No all play TM. New tech for temples - Dedicate it to the gods NEW TECH - THIS NOT OPTION FOR GAME? OR ERROR TITLE Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hannibal_Barca Posted August 18, 2017 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 (edited) 1 hour ago, soloooy0 said: New tech for temples - Dedicate it to the gods NEW TECH - THIS NOT OPTION FOR GAME? OR ERROR TITLE According to GoogleTranslate Lion.Kanzen said "We are talking about gods" And this is true, Romulus and Remus aren't exactly gods, more like legendary personages and thus they can't be added here Edited August 18, 2017 by Hannibal_Barca Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nescio Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 16 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: Go ahead and criticize Since you're asking ... 16 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: As for the "poor choice" of gods, I try to choose a fitting god for each civilization, meaning for example although Apollo is revered in Sparta a lot, he is mainly a god of archery, poetry and music so I opted instead for his sister Artemis (in this case with an epithet) In any case, I was undecided about the last deity for Sparta(currently Aphrodite) so feel free to suggest Sparta's most important temple was that of Artemis Orthia; its most important festival was dedicated to Hyacinthus; as for the third, Ares was not really worshipped in Sparta (although he was respected as a decent warrior; in Athens he was just despised as a weak troublemaker); maybe include the war goddess Athena, who had an old temple in Sparta 16 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: In some instances like with the Seleucids, players are given the option to choose between Greek (Apollo), Babylonian (Nabu) and Persian (Ahura Mazda) gods. These are the 3 "main" branches of religion in the Seleucid Empire. The Seleucid Empire was characterized by a high level of Hellinizations, not only because of the influx of Greek colonists, but especially because the locals voluntarily tried to emulate them; Greek-ness was prestigious and modern; millennia old cities started constructing Greek buildings and were proud of them; likewise, they equated their local gods with Greek equivalents (interpretatio graeca); Akkadian cults were already in decline before Alexander's cults and Zoroastrism only became important and widespread under the Sassanids; you'd better stick to Hellenized gods (Zeus, Cybele, Tyche, Apollo, Artemis, etc) 16 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: Likewise with Macedon although Thaulos is not a widespread god you nevertheless are given the option of choosing a local god over the Olympians [...] If I prefer Thaulos over the Olympians I am able to choose him as Cheif Deity of Macedon Nothing wrong with Thaulos, although he was equated with Ares since Classical times; you could name him “Ares Thaulos” 16 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: Anubis Anubis didn't have a cult of his own in Hellenistic, he was usually part of the cults of other gods (Osiris, Isis, Serapis, etc.). When Alexander invaded Egypt he worshipped Zeus-Ammon (a combination of the supreme gods of the Greek (Zeus) and Egyptian (Amun) pantheons); he even travelled hundreds of miles to visit the oracle of Ammon at Siwa, and afterwards proclaim himself the son of Zeus-Ammon; Ptolemy stole Alexander's corpse, built a magnificent tomb at Alexandria; the Zeus-Ammon cult continued well into Roman times 16 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: And this is true, Romulus and Remus aren't exactly gods, more like legendary personages and thus they can't be added here Be careful with imposing our modern day terms upon Antiquity; history, legend, myth and ancestor, hero, god greatly overlapped; many legendary persons had their own temples and local cults; heroes such as Hercules or the Dioscuri (Castor and Pollux) were worshipped everywhere in the Mediterranean and probably had more temples than most gods. You're right to exclude Remus, he was little more than just a name, only required in the myth to be killed; however, Romulus was deified as Quirinus, one of the oldest gods in Rome. 16 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: Players should be able to choose between obscure, ancient and new religions Again, be careful; there were no separate religions in Antiquity; it was a continuum of local cults, people could decide themselves which gods were worshipped; foreign gods were continually equated to or absorb into local pantheons; nor was there any difference between religion and politics: cities decided on religious matters, festivals, temples, etc, and priests had political power. Again, please consider my criticisms as encouragement 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
elexis Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 18 hours ago, Hannibal_Barca said: Also by any chance would you know anyone who can make icons? Does anyone see a way of adding these techs without new icons? There are images of statues of most of these deities that could be taken as a template. Remembering some commits and looking at the incomplete 2D Art part of the credits section, we can see @Pureon , @wowgetoffyourcellphone and @Lion.Kanzen made some icons. Maybe ask Lion if he has the qualification, time and interest to do so. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Time, not much but near of midnight of my country and saturdays. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatherbushido Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 (still not convinced to add that in 0ad) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted August 18, 2017 Report Share Posted August 18, 2017 Im working with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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