Wonders, Special Buildings, and Special Projects

[zoot]

Hey guys.

Managed to pullout my dusty blender on a free saturday:

Need to create a specific texture for the building with the many windows. and there will be a small poseidon statue ontop.

[Lion.Kanzen]

Can you do the Pharos Lighthouse for the Ptolemaic wonder? The wonder that was actually classified as a wonder from the Ptolemaic Kingdom?

@Lion: I think most, if not all Ptolemaic buildings looked more Egyptian than Greek, because the builders were mostly Egyptians themselves.

i know, the temples, houses, market.... all are egyptian

[Pedro Falcão]

Once upon a time, the Iberians were my favorite civ...

LordGood, those designs are wonderful! How long did you take to create them?

[LordGood]

Once upon a time, the Iberians were my favorite civ...

LordGood, those designs are wonderful! How long did you take to create them?

2 days, no sleep

I can't sleep once i get into it xp

[memmaker650]

2 days, no sleep

I can't sleep once i get into it xp

Great work.

[idanwin]

2 days, no sleep

I can't sleep once i get into it xp

I know that feeling xD, but even then! That would take me weeks without sleep* xD (and some years of learning).

Amazing!

*by the end I would just mess it up because of a lack of sleep

[Argantonius]

Dolmen of Menga

Ugh no no no no! 2000 years off date and it can hardly be considered 'monumental' by any means.

The Iberian wonder should be something based on the Cancho Roano sanctuary complex (built c. 550 BC, destroyed by fire c. 370 BC). Really, it's the only thing trully native (although some say it has Phoenician influences) and trully monumental building in the Iberian Peninsula close to the game's period (I know you already used the Pozo Moro tombs as models for the Iberian "venerated monument").

http://www.iam.csic.es/imagenes/proyectos/CANCHOROANO.jpg

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-PoBahv2XsdY/TeCnsoBZ_HI/AAAAAAAAB0U/od4xEXaz8UE/s400/cancho_roano1.jpg

http://www.vivirextremadura.es/wp-content/uploads/014_cancho_roano_07.jpg

http://www.manuelgago.org/blog/wp-content/uploads/cancho_3.jpg

Restorations

http://www.uv.es/~alabau/Image17.gif

http://doc-0k-8g-3dwarehouse.googleusercontent.com/3dwarehouse/secure/hhulr73hmmak89paul31eote4ben7ngk/9aquol2022gampo3sr0lus4j8c5fv5le/1358121600000/lt/*/57477ce6f9a6a80ae1f84a94ad02d528?ts=1206578288000&ctyp=other

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-guULYkruJtU/TsK1mTZnQXI/AAAAAAAAB70/-NQkXBoGtyA/s1600/Sin%2Bt%25C3%25ADtulo%2B1.png

Objects found inside

http://www.uv.es/~alabau/Image19.gif

http://kikeoliva.files.wordpress.com/2009/11/fig6_1-cancho-roano.jpg?w=655

http://www.hoy.es/prensa/noticias/200803/27/fotos/006D4BADP3_1.jpg

This is an example of Tartessian culture. In general, the Tartessians (and their successors/descendats, the Turdetanians) were the Iberians more civilized and received a lot of influences from Greeks and Phonicians. In fact, the game's Iberian temple is based on a Tartessian temple IIRC. Some locations even have temples to East Mediterranean divinities like this Ishtar temple from El Carambolo near Seville:

http://multiply.com/mu/almogavar/image/2/photos/127/600x600/7/103-0278.JPG?et=0SDEhoe7pShOUBflJYOZ4w&nmid=294704519(first phase)

http://multiply.com/mu/almogavar/image/20/photos/127/600x600/8/103-0279.JPG?et=67kl1aipC3yckk6LA%2CDbJA&nmid=294704519(second phase)

http://multiply.com/mu/almogavar/image/2/photos/127/600x600/9/103-0280.JPG?et=NtZSfV1VO%2Cv795W3ps8u%2BQ&nmid=294704519

http://www.elcorreoweb.es/resources/archivos/2011/1/22/1295727741814gransev20dn.jpg

Now, of course, was this Iberian or Phoenician? Well, I'm not sure, that's why I did not propose it as an Iberian wonder. But Cancho Roano is so far inland and so separate from Phoenician ports and trade routes that it only can be the work of natives.

Others that could show up as eye candy in Iberian maps and the scenario editor are the Guisando bulls in the province of Avila (2nd century BC).

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-gZbaJgor-M4/TpMIE83LjTI/AAAAAAAAAIs/-D4LTxcgKi8/s1600/Toros_de_Guisando.jpg

http://esphoto980x880.mnstatic.com/los-toros-de-guisando_397104.jpg

These are the biggest and are quite eroded, but bull statues are common in the Iberian Peninsula through the period

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/90/Toro_%C3%ADbero_de_Osuna_%28M.A.N._Madrid%29_01.jpg

http://www.cronicadigitaldejaen.es/cronica/paginas/44/4.-_Toro_iberico_de_Arjona._Museo_arqueologico_de_Granada.Foto_I._Castro.JPG

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_-pxkw--56s0/TTH1IhGX1KI/AAAAAAAAANM/_qAKpW3u00E/s1600/TORO+PORCUNA.jpg

http://www.decorarconarte.com/WebRoot/StoreES2/Shops/61552482/49A3/AC5E/EFB3/779A/678F/C0A8/28B8/78AD/web50003%5B1%5D.jpg

along with combinations of bulls with other things

http://almansaenbici.usuarios.tvalmansa.com/encuentros/imgs/E5Balazote_Bicha.jpg lol

Alternatively if the Iberian civ gets divided between an Iberian proper and a "Celtiberian" one (including not just the Celtiberians but other Celtic/IE peoples of the Western Iberian Peninsula like the Lusitanians and the Cantabrians) the Guisandos could be the Celtiberian wonder and Cancho Roano the Iberian proper wonder. I know it's unlikely but there there is the Gaul/Briton partition precedent.

[oshron]

Can you do the Pharos Lighthouse for the Ptolemaic wonder? The wonder that was actually classified as a wonder from the Ptolemaic Kingdom?

@Lion: I think most, if not all Ptolemaic buildings looked more Egyptian than Greek, because the builders were mostly Egyptians themselves.

like i've said before, i think that the Pharos Lighthouse/Lighthouse of Alexandria should be reserved as an editor-only wonder because a lighthouse would seem to imply water being on the map as a requirement. therefore, i'd recommend a more iconically Egyptian wonder (and relegate the Library of Alexandria to the basic Macedonians)

[LordGood]

Argantonius, that looks awesome.

That Cancho Roano building looks more utilitarian than monumental though

From the looks of things this game might develop the smaller, lesser known cultures as time moves on, spread east even.

[Sighvatr]

like i've said before, i think that the Pharos Lighthouse/Lighthouse of Alexandria should be reserved as an editor-only wonder because a lighthouse would seem to imply water being on the map as a requirement. therefore, i'd recommend a more iconically Egyptian wonder (and relegate the Library of Alexandria to the basic Macedonians)

That would make the most sense. I also agree on reserving the pharos lighthouse as an alternative.

[Mythos_Ruler]

I'd like the lighthouse to be a 'Special Building' rather than a wonder. Meaning, it would have a useful purpose other than just being a Wonder. Indeed, I would like it to have a 'shoreline' build restriction and once it's built it lifts all the black map over all the water on the map (revealing all of the coastlines on the map to that player), or some similar bonus.

I'd like the Ptolemies' Wonder to be the Temple of Edfu.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_of_Edfu

Images

[CathanHax]

Maybe this model of the Temple of Edfu can be useful:

http://www.edfu-projekt.gwdg.de/Model.html

[oshron]

I'd like the lighthouse to be a 'Special Building' rather than a wonder. Meaning, it would have a useful purpose other than just being a Wonder. Indeed, I would like it to have a 'shoreline' build restriction and once it's built it lifts all the black map over all the water on the map (revealing all of the coastlines on the map to that player), or some similar bonus.

I'd like the Ptolemies' Wonder to be the Temple of Edfu.

http://en.wikipedia..../Temple_of_Edfu

Images

so the Macedonian lighthouses would be like the lighthouse buildings in Empire Earth, then?

as a note, there was also a lighthouse building in AOM (buildable only by the Egyptians, no less) which served a double function of just revealing a large potion of the map, water and land alike. i suggest that, if specifying that the lighthouses reveal only water turns out to be too difficult to program (or just not worth the effort) then they could conceivably reveal both land and water but are only buildable along shorelines

the Temple of Edfu definitely looks more like an iconic Egyptian wonder than the Library of Alexandria since its not only Ptolemaic but also has more distinctly Egyptian architecture and is dedicated to an Egyptian god, not to mention that it has classic Egyptian artwork on it

out of curiosity, would any heiroglyphic representations be in color? it's my understanding that the hieroglyphics that adorn tomb walls in the pyramids, at least, were at one time vibrantly colored but faded until they matched the stonework underneath. if any such representations are in color, they would definitely make the Ptolemaic buildings alot more interesting to look at

[LordGood]

Needs work

[LordGood]

Could we possibly make the Roman and Carthaginian watchtowers a bit taller? Right now the wall turrets dominate them heightwise but get less attack range, which makes absolutely no sense to me.

[idanwin]

Could we possibly make the Roman and Carthaginian watchtowers a bit taller? Right now the wall turrets dominate them heightwise but get less attack range, which makes absolutely no sense to me.

Totally agree

[TsukiraLuna]

-Moved it to a more logical location-

Edited March 6, 2013 by TsukiraLuna

[Lion.Kanzen]

Totally agree

i agree that

[LordGood]

-Moved it to a more logical location-

No no! mate, this is a great spot for stuff like that, It'll give us an idea for what to consider modelling for the future. It falls under the whole special projects and wonders bit.

Even if the monoliths perform differently from what you had in mind they could be useful eyecandy

[Rolle]

Built in 353 BC, in Anatolia (Turkey)... was an Hellenic emplacement, and one of the 7 of the ancient world wonders.

Edited May 19, 2013 by Rolle

[Lion.Kanzen]

Can be a wonder for Seleucids.

[sanderd17]

What's the current plan for wonders, game-play wise?

Currently, you can just build them, but they don't do anything, right?

Edited May 20, 2013 by sanderd17

[McAllisterw]

The colossus of Rhodes, from looking at the references posted on here, almost certainly didn't have his legs astride the entrance to the harbour... I think the best realistic representation of it, would just to be an impressively large statue.

[Lion.Kanzen]

With Wonder gameplay we must wait when team design new game modes or victory conditions.

With colossus if we make realistic, are too big to put in a real map.

[McAllisterw]

Most of the wonders weren't that big, remember the Great Pyramid was both the tallest and overall largest of them all and this is included as a 3D model... I think I saw the hanging gardens of Babylon in there too. Historic writers tended to overemphasise how large these things were, and even when they gave dimensions, there was no standardised unit of measurement in the ancient world and many of the units they used, the true lengths are no longer known.

As far as I'm aware, the Collosus of Rhodes would have been the largest statue anyone in the Eastern Med would have seen, but was still probably far smaller than today's Statue of Liberty.