Deicide4u Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) Besides the Fanatics, Spartiates are by far the most broken units in the game. Seriously, these units are insanely overpowered and hard to counter. Can anyone name a unit that can reliably stop Spartiates? I bet you can’t. They hit hard, have massive armor, can promote to Olympic status and even have technologies that make them stronger and faster. The only thing the developers could have done to stop the spamming of this unit was to add a population cost of 2. Unfortunately, they didn’t do that. There are players abusing this by spamming Spartiates in P1, and it’s ruining the game for everyone. I wouldn’t be surprised if some ecobot or clever Sparta player designed this unit to exploit the game by spamming them relentlessly for an unfair advantage. What do you guys think? Any ideas on how to properly nerf or counter these broken units? I believe adding a population cost of 2 to build them would be an effective way to balance this unit. Moreover all Athenian Marines should be nerfed for sure. We’ve already banned Fanatics from our games, and Spartiates definitely need to be banned as well. If the developers don’t nerf these units in the next alpha update and keep introducing unfair, broken units, we’ll have no choice but to keep banning them from our matches to maintain fair gameplay. Spoiler /s Edited August 20 by Deicide4u 2 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabius Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 Please no, one thread arguing in circles about one random unit is bad enough, we don't need another one.... 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 6 minutes ago, Fabius said: Please no, You know it will be "Yes" eventually. Why not start early? 1 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seleucids Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 The P1 Spartiates will take a heavy toll on the player's eco and cannot be spammed in large quantities due to the special building which is an extra cost. Even in P3, their cost and slow movement still deters players from overusing them. Finally, the Spartan civ is a weak one in A27 due to its other flaws, so having one above average unit doesn't cause a huge issue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 17 minutes ago, Seleucids said: The P1 Spartiates will take a heavy toll on the player's eco and cannot be spammed in large quantities due to the special building which is an extra cost. Doesn't matter, they are too strong. Please nerf. I win too many games with them against the AI, so they must be broken. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
guerringuerrin Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 The trolling spirit of this post is very off 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted August 20 Author Report Share Posted August 20 4 minutes ago, guerringuerrin said: trolling spirit of this post is very off ...the charts? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seleucids Posted August 20 Report Share Posted August 20 (edited) 1 hour ago, Deicide4u said: I win too many games with them against the AI, so they must be broken. The AI doesn't know how to use champions so of course you would win. You would be able to beat the AI using any unit or strategy, not just Spartiates. You can only convince me that they are op by beating me in a 1v1. Edited August 20 by Seleucids 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senator_LEVi Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) Honestly. This has to be a troll post. Why is it becoming a trend to just pick any champion and say its "OP"? Winning against AI can be done without Spartiate with ease. And a P1 rush can be largely delayed with a cavalry rush. Subsequent attack from Spartan player can be held off with towers restricted with houses and ranged units, slingers being sweet spot. And forgot about the economy, if the Spartiate rush doesn't entirely kill the player in the initial rush itself it is a big slowdown for the Spartan player. (lack of P2 metal tech). Frankly. it seems people are just intent on banning everything. Edited August 22 by Senator_LEVi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, Senator_LEVi said: Honestly. This has to be a troll post. Spoiler 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Servo Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) Actually it’s not broken but it’s OP. The poster is just trolling that he is only playing SP. He knows situation in the lobby. 2 hours ago, Senator_LEVi said: Honestly. This has to be a troll post. Why is it becoming a trend to just pick any champion and say its "OP"? Winning against AI can be done without Spartiate with ease. And a P1 rush can be largely delayed with a cavalry rush. Subsequent attack from Spartan player can be held off with towers restricted with houses and ranged units, slingers being sweet spot. And forgot about the economy, if the Spartiate rush doesn't entirely kill the player in the initial rush itself it is a big slowdown for the Spartan player. (lack of P2 metal tech). Frankly. it seems people are just intent on banning everything. I watch your game with IRush and you almost got beaten and in fact he just resigned in frustration but was leading you in the end. You were just lucky to be Iberian and he never anticipated that his spartiates can get trapped. He did the same strategy on OP team game and positioned on the border and beat his opposing side. He repeated it and was doubled without help so he/they lost. If there was no help from opposing teammates that opponent becomes cosmic. Now like Reza he is challenging good/decent players and no one accepts. With small map on 1v1 mainland it’s harder to counter the rush if you’re just a decent player. Separates (is a champion) are strong units that really doesn’t belong in P1. Fanatics being OP is not in doubt but at least they are in P2. Edited August 22 by Servo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabius Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 9 minutes ago, Classic-Burger said: If you think about it, it's a good thing because it will generate another post later. In the end, the circle will be complete. Of course, and most likely it will be on how female citizens are so op and need to be nerfed 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 7 minutes ago, Fabius said: likely it will be on how female citizens are so op and need to be nerfed Did you just assume their gender?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 4 hours ago, Senator_LEVi said: This has to be a troll post. You do know that "/s" stands for sarcasm? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabius Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 1 minute ago, Gurken Khan said: You do know that "/s" stands for sarcasm? I did not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seleucids Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 43 minutes ago, Classic-Burger said: Sheeps are OP They are op, but few can exploit their opness as a food source because of the activation cost. In late game, switching to sheep farming is a recipe for victory. Patches of sheep near your territory also gives you the opportunity to boom with Cav. Trolling aside, I think Spartiates is not yet enough to be op because any unit can outrun them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheCJ Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 10 minutes ago, Seleucids said: Trolling aside, I think Spartiates is not yet enough to be op because any unit can outrun them but your cc cant outrun anything (until the introduction of nomadic civs, that is) 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 5 minutes ago, Classic-Burger said: But Sparta is boring.I They have two of the coolest-looking units in the game, along with one of the coolest Heroes. Literally Teutonic Knights with a spear. But seriously, they had Royal Stoa where they trained Mercenary champions. That was considered non-historical, so their unit roster was reduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabius Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 2 minutes ago, Classic-Burger said: the slinger civs were fun. Rome was very fun in A23 because we had strong catapults and bolters to reduce those annoying slinger blocks to smoking craters 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
real_tabasco_sauce Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 If/when melee infantry champions become useful, these will need a massive nerf. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fabius Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, Classic-Burger said: Slingers are fun.Or they felt like they were.They were literally mini catapults. Catapults have twice the range and many times the damage, how will your slingers deal with that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakara Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 2 hours ago, Fabius said: Catapults have twice the range and many times the damage, how will your slingers deal with that ? 100 slingers do the job if no defense army 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted August 22 Author Report Share Posted August 22 (edited) 4 hours ago, real_tabasco_sauce said: when melee infantry champions become useful, these will need a massive nerf. A sneak peak at the next OP champion unit after Spartiates get nerfed to death. Spoiler From the nerfed man himself. Edited August 22 by Deicide4u Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Seleucids Posted August 22 Report Share Posted August 22 If every civ has access to most units and at least their counters, then this would be a lot less of an issue. In A27 we are seeing the civ rankings again (no rules TG): Brokenly OP tier: Macedonians, Gauls Strong tier: Seleucids, Persians, Ptolemies Medium tier: Romans, Kushites Ok tier: Brits, Athenians, Han, Carthage, Spartans Weak tier: Mauryas Why? Champs cavs. The top ranking civs all have champ cavs. But if we ban that, we get: Brokenly OP: Gauls (because fanatics) Strong: Brits, Athenians, Romans, Ptolemies, Macedonians So we see fanatics are still OP. If we remove that too, then Gauls will just drop down to the strong tier. Spartans is always lower down so having this extra powerful unit is not a big issue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Senator_LEVi Posted August 23 Report Share Posted August 23 23 hours ago, Deicide4u said: Hide contents Oh someone just mentioned that /s stands for sarcasm and not serious. Sorry. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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