Casaul player Posted Sunday at 07:57 Report Share Posted Sunday at 07:57 (edited) How to counter Selucid elite cavarly when playing Romans? Most units are ineffective. Edited Sunday at 08:00 by Casaul player Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted Sunday at 08:32 Report Share Posted Sunday at 08:32 (edited) Town phase - Mass Triarius (Veteran Spearman) City phase - Consul Bodyguard cavalry/Marian Reforms spearmen/Marian Legionaries. Make sure you have Centurions nearby. Edited Sunday at 08:38 by Deicide4u 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrik Posted Sunday at 09:32 Report Share Posted Sunday at 09:32 There are no counters to Sele/Pers champion cavalry spears (but you having more champ spear cav then your opponent). Even if you had spartiate or any champion infantry polearms. They have extra range (7m) so if your enemy fight with them in formation with some melee infantry, now the champs fight behind the infantry (who have 4m range), therefor your champ spears aren't counters. Tested it against borg in tg recently even him can't do anything. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Casaul player Posted Sunday at 14:53 Author Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:53 I feel like the Selucid elite cav is too op. I need massive advantage in numbers when I play against my friend. Consular cavarly dies quickly, legionaries hold the line for a while but in a straight battle I need massive number advantage with constant resupply in units. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emacz Posted Sunday at 14:59 Report Share Posted Sunday at 14:59 6 minutes ago, Casaul player said: I feel like the Selucid elite cav is too op. I need massive advantage in numbers when I play against my friend. Consular cavarly dies quickly, legionaries hold the line for a while but in a straight battle I need massive number advantage with constant resupply in units. historical is the counter But also making sure that you dont let them mass Cataphracts 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deicide4u Posted Sunday at 15:08 Report Share Posted Sunday at 15:08 (edited) 19 minutes ago, Casaul player said: I feel like the Selucid elite cav is too op Yes, it is. But, has your friend tried Silver Shield Pikemen with Chariots yet? Pikes hold the line while Chariots destroy everything from afar. Each civ has some OP units. Roman infantry is very OP when used effectively. Try using the Testudo formation (switch formation usage from "Walk/Patrol only" to "No override"). Testudo keeps all your infantry swordsmen in a very packed formation, slicing and dicing any nearby enemies in seconds. Add some Centurions to the mix for extra DPS. Centurions can be upgraded from Elite swordsmen and spearmen, or trained at Forts once Marian Reforms are researched. Edited Sunday at 15:12 by Deicide4u 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj113 Posted Sunday at 16:56 Report Share Posted Sunday at 16:56 I don't think so, it's very expensive and I've never produced more than 25 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampChump321 Posted Sunday at 20:01 Report Share Posted Sunday at 20:01 (edited) I have to agree with sj113 here, it is a rather expensive steel-intensive unit if you take in all of the required upgrades into account. It has to give at least some benefits for it all to be even remotely worth the cost. Otherwise it will be the Seleucid Elephant Champion situation all over again, which seem to have been nerfed to oblivion, making them unsuitable for anything (in this state they can not be used neither to destroy buildings nor kill units). Just my two cents. Edited Sunday at 20:02 by TheChampChump321 Grammar Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Player of 0AD Posted Monday at 09:22 Report Share Posted Monday at 09:22 23 hours ago, Atrik said: There are no counters to Sele/Pers champion cavalry spears (but you having more champ spear cav then your opponent). Even if you had spartiate or any champion infantry polearms. They have extra range (7m) so if your enemy fight with them in formation with some melee infantry, now the champs fight behind the infantry (who have 4m range), therefor your champ spears aren't counters. Tested it against borg in tg recently even him can't do anything. The quetion was what's the counter to spear champ cav, not the counter to a mix of spear champ cav and inf ;-) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Atrik Posted Monday at 09:48 Report Share Posted Monday at 09:48 18 minutes ago, Player of 0AD said: The quetion was what's the counter to spear champ cav, not the counter to a mix of spear champ cav and inf ;-) The consequences of increasing range from 4 to 7m for champ cav are multiples, one is that they do reduce heavily loses when engaging them in a frontline. That does explain why even if you make counter units, you won't necessarily benefit from their already mediocre counter dps. I felt like it was in important consideration when thinking about counters. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakara Posted Monday at 10:18 Report Share Posted Monday at 10:18 (edited) No counter if you play romans , you should find another way than fight Produce gladiator unit, the special unit roman in the secret building ARENA, they have a bonus against all champions but you can only produce 20 by building. --- This Selucid/Persian champion makes no sense. It costs 10 more metal, but it has 3 more range and additional resistances (Kush, Ptol, Macedon, Gauls, Han, Carthage). And since we wanted to unbalance as much as possible, we also added the possibility of having a technology that increases health by 20% for these two civilizations. Their only drawback is their slightly reduced movement speed; I don't think it's enough to balance the unit with other equivalent units. I also won't go into the topic of hero bonuses or population. The Selucids are OP, but the Persians are their OP big brothers in Cav. You can have 20 more guys in your economy to spam the best unit in the game, in addition to having better heroes and discount on stables building. If you play CAVs, the Persians are better; if you don't, Selucid CAVs. So even if you manage to match your opponent's numbers, you'll be at a disadvantage because this poses a major balance issue. This is especially true for maximum population. I've said this before, but knights can overlap excessively and will concentrate their attack on a small number of units. Edited Monday at 10:33 by Dakara 1 1 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj113 Posted Monday at 15:49 Report Share Posted Monday at 15:49 I don't see the arena building, how can I create one? 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TheChampChump321 Posted Monday at 18:02 Report Share Posted Monday at 18:02 I think it was a joke, sj113, a good one. The Romans don't have that building hahah. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj113 Posted Monday at 18:28 Report Share Posted Monday at 18:28 ahh, I was sure that gladiators existed. I saw them in atlas 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chrstgtr Posted Monday at 23:32 Report Share Posted Monday at 23:32 5 hours ago, sj113 said: ahh, I was sure that gladiators existed. I saw them in atlas @Dakara is just trolling you. the only counter to champ spear cav are mustangs. Create them by typing “how do you turn this on?” into chat 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sj113 Posted Tuesday at 05:44 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 05:44 what a F* jokers 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dakara Posted Tuesday at 14:09 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 14:09 8 hours ago, sj113 said: what a F* jokers I'm sorry but for real this unit could be interesting, i want play my gladiator or a under-civilisation, slaves rebelion lol, nomad civlisation with no culture Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg- Posted Tuesday at 15:29 Report Share Posted Tuesday at 15:29 1 hour ago, Dakara said: I'm sorry but for real this unit could be interesting, i want play my gladiator or a under-civilisation, slaves rebelion lol, nomad civlisation with no culture I'm making a balance mod and I will add them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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