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Genava55
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22 minutes ago, Nescio said:
How about a resource discount on blacksmith technologies then instead?
Why not. Could be a discount in wood and metal, Gauls made a few type of pre-manufactured bars, easier to trade and to process.
The other thing interesting I see is the invention of the reaper by the Gauls:
30 minutes ago, Nescio said:Any other things the Britons were known for? All I can think of right now is that Carthage imported tin from Cornwall and surroundings, but that's an accident of geography.
There was a lot of mineral resources in Britain, it boomed during the Roman Empire but mostly because the resources weren't exploited before (Romans have bring hydraulic mining with hushing). Although, yes Britons were good with tin trading, good at working with bronze and gold. Since there was some trading and merchant connection on the Atlantic facade, maybe a bonus especially for maritime trade.
Otherwise, a huge part of the Iron Age society there, was cattle and pasturing.
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12 hours ago, Nescio said:
Athenians: Allied Warships −25% construction time.
Should be better to have a bonus split between navy and economy: example Allied Warships −15% construction time and Allies +10% barter sell prices. Simply to avoid useless bonus on land maps.
12 hours ago, Nescio said:Britons: Allied Healers −20% resource costs.
Since Caesar emphasizes the training of Gallic youths as druids in Britain, it seems a historically coherent bonus. It is simply the healers that are useless currently in the game.
12 hours ago, Nescio said:Gauls: Allied Structures −20% technology research time.
The Gauls weren't in technological advance, they weren't "retards" or "primitives" like 19th century historians portrayed them but they weren't in advance in regards of the others. A few elements of their metallurgy were really innovative but that doesn't make them the best ironsmiths. Actually the thing that had huge impact on nearby populations was:
- Slave trading, they were really selling slaves at a competitive price.
- Selling weapons, especially swords and scabbards (found in Spain, Italy, Crimea, Thracia etc., even in foreign cultures). Selling adornments, like fibula.
- Strabo talks about them exporting resin, pitch, honey, wax, amber, salt, woolens and leather products.
- Mercenaries. That was one of their main asset.
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On 1/4/2020 at 11:50 PM, soloooy0 said:
I've always wondered why the British long-sword champion has the same stats as the rest of the swordsman champions
Actually, all the champions have the same stats. Nothing is balanced in this regard. This is something for the upcoming versions.
And anyway, the Celtic two-handed swordsman will be removed because of lack of evidences. Over the thousands of swords found from this period, none are suggesting a two-handed use.
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1 hour ago, GunChleoc said:
The only thing I know about Gaulish is that it is Mainland Celtic as opposed to Insular Celtic (Brythonic, Goidelic). It might have influenced Breton though, because it's strikingly different from modern Welsh and Cornish. I'd be fine with either druid or druis I guess, although the -d seems to be more common across the languages. Keep in mind that Breton is Insular Celtic - people fled from Britain to Brittany and took their language with them.
The debate between a Gallo-Brittonic origin or an Insular origin with influences from the continent is still going. Basically, there are two main models:
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4 minutes ago, GunChleoc said:
For the Britons, I did not find an old Brythonic or old Welsh dictionary, so this is the best I could find:
Brythonic:
Cornish: drewydh n.m drewydhyon
Welsh: derwydd eg derwyddon
Breton: drouiz
Using Brythonic would be better than using Goidelic, but just for reference:
druí Note the accent on the i, it's very important for vowel length.
The "druid" form does not seem to be the nominative singular, so we shouldn't use it. Looks like "druídh" is the nominative plural - from eDIL:
dá n-iccad a.¤ oendrúad if the skill of any druid were of avail
¤druí druidess; female skilled in magic arts: tri ferdruid ┐ tri bandrúid, TBC-LL¹ 2402 = dī (leg. tri) drúid insin ┐ a teóra mná, TBC-I¹ 1767. bandrai ┐ bancumachtach mē, ZCP xii 252.14 . a mhaca na bandrúagh = of the sorceress, Isaiah lvii 3.
tangadar druídh baidsidhe in meic i ngeintliucht. Gur chansat an mbaithis ngeintlidhe forin mac beg ' druids came to baptize the boy into paganism. They chanted the pagan baptism over the little boy',
ro-lá conflicht ros conaig (MSS. rusconaigh, ros conuigh) | risna druídib díthoraid 'contended with the barren druids and overcame them'
So the point of view of Delamarre for a Gaulish druis has your preference? It is very probable that Common Brittonic and Gaulish used the same word.
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https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Saba
https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Category:Nabatu
https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Reglaya_Mehrebay_(North_Arabian_Shortswordsmen)
https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Fayah_'Alatin_(South_Arabian_Tribal_Highlanders)
https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Erínamesh_ana-Arabim_(East_Coast_Levies)#EB2
https://europabarbarorum.fandom.com/wiki/Aba'al_(Sabean_Citizen_Militia)
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30 minutes ago, Genava55 said:
There is one possible suggestion for the use of the mask by cavalrymen but generally among Celtiberians / Celts, not only the Lusitanians. Although I cannot access this article, even from my university (if someone can get access, tell me):
Google translate:
Este artículo explora los orígenes de los juegos de caballos (hippika gymnasia) del ejército imperial romano. Sostiene que las exhibiciones ecuestres descritas extensamente por Arrian en su tratado táctico fueron tomadas prestadas de los celtas galeses e ibéricos, que formaron la parte más importante de la caballería auxiliar romana al final de la República y al comienzo del Principado. Los jinetes más famosos usaron cascos de máscara durante estos juegos. Los primeros ejemplos de tales máscaras en el contexto romano se pueden encontrar en representaciones triunfales que celebran victorias sobre enemigos celtíberos o galeses. La evidencia sugiere que inicialmente estaban hechos de materiales orgánicos, como las máscaras de cráneo sobremoldeadas o enlucidas que podrían adornar monumentos públicos en la Galia prerromana. Desde finales del siglo I a. C. en adelante, comenzaron a adoptar la forma de cascos de metal y se adaptaron progresivamente al gusto grecorromano. La idea de que la hippika gymnasia se tomó prestada del desfile ecuestre romano llamado lusus Troiae y que los cascos de máscara eran parte de una antigua tradición itálica debería, por lo tanto, ser abandonada.
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45 minutes ago, Duileoga said:
-Buenas, respondiendo a si aparecen una explicación sobre esas máscaras , no hay ninguna explicación , aparecen ilustraciones de artistas no de historiadores y la información es general y sencilla ( porque son libros de historia para niños ) , pero voy a buscar las referencias, fuentes y autores de esos libros o ya directamente mirar como tratan esos temas en los libros de instituto españoles que seguro serán más concienzudos y complejos junto a buscar información sobre el idioma lusitano que me llevará un tiempo.( Disculpas si mi referencias han provocado algo de confusión)
There is one possible suggestion for the use of the mask by cavalrymen but generally among Celtiberians / Celts, not only the Lusitanians. Although I cannot access this article, even from my university (if someone can get access, tell me):
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14 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Me aparece este post si busco la imagen.
Ok. But what is the reference? I saw everywhere this thing about Lusitanians, twcenter, here etc. but nobody explains what is the source.
If it is one of these Augustean coins, then it is really problematic.
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1 minute ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Cual?
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Siempre me he preguntado: de dónde viene este casco con máscara entre los lusitanos? Cuál es la evidencia de esto?
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Los pueblos prerromanos de la península Ibérica (pdf), descargar aqui.
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6 hours ago, Nescio said:
What I know is that both Druidae and Druidēs (plural) appear in Latin texts; singular forms are not attested. Greek authors have Δρυΐδης Druidēs (singular). Moreover, the word possibly has a Proto-Indo-European origin, because Sanskrit has dru- “wood” and Greek has δρῦς (tree, wood), from which Δρῠάς (Dryad; wood nymph), δρῠΐνας (a serpent living in wooden oaks), δρύϊνος (oaken), δρῡμόνιος (haunting the woods; an epithet of Artemis), and δόρυ (spear), amongst other words, are derived.
Checked what Delamarre says about the druid and he suggests druis as singular nominative while Savignac suggests druid as singular nominative. Delamarre starts from the case of a "druias", a female druid reported by Ælius Lampridus. Personnally I find the druid and druides more probable.
@wackyserious do you want to do a female version of the druid?
7 hours ago, Nescio said:(though we still need to find people for the languages used by Carthaginians, Iberians, and Mauryas)
You will wait a long time if you are hoping to find someone specialized in the Iberian language. It is still not decipherable. The only solution I see is to assume a connection with proto-Basque. Which is probably the less wrong solution.
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13 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
what about sacred groves as SB 3 or 4 ?
Sacred grove, shrines, heroic statue are possible as well.
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22 minutes ago, Nescio said:
Thanks for the information. D2155's question is whether “Druides” is a proper specific name (I don't know). What language is it? The same as what is used for the Briton and Gaulish structure specific names (given by you here)?
It is assumed that the word druid comes from Proto-Celtic *druwits / *druwid. As reported by the Romans, Druid is the use in gaulish. If we assume singular Druid, then it is Druides in plural form. In Scottish Gaelic, singular form is draoidh and plural is draoidhean. In Old Irish, the singular forms are either drui or druid. So I would say Druid and Druides are correct for both Gauls and Britons.
36 minutes ago, Stan` said:I noticed you are not in the game history.json credits files. How would you rather be credited? Just nick? Nick + Real Name? Just real name? No credits?
Nick is fine.
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2 minutes ago, Nescio said:
British in an ethno-linguistic sense (Brittonic), but Scottish in a geographic sense? (The Scots came from what is now Northern Ireland in the early mediaeval times and later replaced the Picts, in “Alba”.)
I know this is weird but the old historians choose to use the label "British" to designate the southern Iron Age. Cannot change history. Now, British archeology moved during the last decades to a paranoid state, refusing to generalize anything properly, questioning even the use of the term "Celtic" to the Britons. So, there is no widespread terminology for the Iron Age in Scotland.
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1 hour ago, Nescio said:
if it's closer to 100 BC, then it's probably Roman influence.
Until the first half of the 1st century AD, I don't think the rectangular scutum has been popular among the legions.
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9 hours ago, Stan` said:
Generally Druids are considered practicing medical intervention. Although there are debates about the wide term and its limits. Druid could be a generic term applied to a wide range of intellectual practitioners with specialists. Or a very specific term for high-ranking member of the priest class. Anyway, I think it is safe to use the Druid terminology for the healer but if you want several kind of "priests", you can use for the healer another name known from the Celtic society: the Uatis, which is the counterpart of the Roman Vates. But in my opinion, Druid is ok currently.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:Give the Gauls a b/a/e infantry archer (well attested by Caesar)
I agree, furthermore it gives a difference with the Britons.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:maybe a cavalry swordsman (Carthage can train it already)
For me, the Gallic cavalryman is probably the most important figure of the Gallic warfare and probably the most reputed tactical unit in the view of other cultures. However, I do not want to make them overpowered with regular foot swordsmen AND cavalry swordsmen if the current gameplay favors the sword that much. Swords and longswords are a kind of topos (cliché) for the Gauls at their time and clearly from the material evidences, the sword is really an important item of the warrior class, following as well the evolution of the warfare century after century with adapting features.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:and perhaps a chariot (images of Celtic chariots have been found in Northern Italy)
Without any doubt, Gauls did used chariots in battles. There are depictions, classical accounts and material evidences for these. However, the use of war chariot started to fade during the 3rd century BC and we find no material evidences and no accounts for the 2nd and 1st century BC for the Gauls. So, I would suggest to keep it for the Britons. But if you guys prefer to give it to both, no problem with that.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:Disable the problematic kennel and make war dogs trainable at structures players would actually build, e.g. barracks, corral, house.
I agree.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:Replace the tavern with something more meaningful.
I agree.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:Give Britons or Gauls (or both) a new temple actor. Currently they use fundamentally the same actor, which has a design similar to barracks: (Don't delete the old actor; modders might want to use it for e.g. a non-buildable mercenary camp.)
I agree. Different temples can be done for them.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:Give Britons and Gauls new wonder actors; both the Stonehenge and the Uffington White Horse are problematic.
I agree and I liked the prototypes made by Stan.
1 hour ago, Nescio said:Differentiate Briton and Gaul druids (e.g. one has more health, the other more armour)
I agree and I can suggest new helmets to differentiate them. We can even give weapons. To discuss if needed.
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1 hour ago, Nescio said:Britons could also use some new units (perhaps champion javelineers?), but I know very little about them, so I'll leave them to @Genava55 and others.
Britons are a harder topic even for me. Lower area (only England and Wales), lower density of warfare related material evidences, fewer classical accounts, fewer interest for decades (for various reasons), very restrictive practice of publication, tendency in the past from British historians to apply blindly what have been found on the continent to Britons to fill the gap etc.
However, I want to highlight that the current faction of the Britons is mixing Scottish and British Iron Age (Broch for example). Which I don't think is a problem since most of the time, the Romans weren't able to differentiate them. And it could be a good opportunity to give unique features to the Britons through inclusion of Scottish and Irish Iron Age (although complex topics).
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A call for a Konnik feature and a dismounted function ?
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Unshielded cavalrymen are often Italics "returning homes" or carrying their textile standard in the other hand, so maybe an artistic canon.
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4 hours ago, Loki1950 said:
If I remember correctly the Scythian nomads had similar thing for horns so not surprising that a neighbouring culture echos it though it does kinda muddy the the origin evidence for either culture.
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Yep. Both cultures emphasize horse and horsemanship in addition. Several element of the La Tene art are inspired by nomadic animal art. Silk has been found in a Hallstatt tomb, probably from trading with the Scythians.
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8 hours ago, Loki1950 said:
He did say riding a Bull not a horse
Enjoy the Choice
Actually I think it is a horse. I wouldn't take the page words too seriously, he did say wrong things sometimes. It could be this kind of practice:
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There are arguments in favor like the fact that Gallic leaders could be druid. The irish mythology is full of characters with a mixed role as priest and warrior, often labelled by the two names.
But for example during the attack on Ynys Môn, the druids do not seem to defend themselves. Moreover druids were exempt of military service, so probably they weren't usually skilled warriors.
Although it is probable they had the right to bear arms and ride horses.