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Genava55
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13 hours ago, sauerkrautpie said:
1. For Brittons, there is a specific class for Brittonic languages under the Celtic Languages (which differencing it from Irish&Scottish which is Goidelic) So the Welsh, Cornish and Bretton language is the best to use as its written already. But i don't know which one is more pure, they both influenced by another classes.
At this time the Brittonic/Brythonic languages are very little different to the Continental Celtic or Gaulish. It is mostly a matter of stress accent.
Remember that Old Irish, Old Welsh and Old Breton are Medieval languages. The language spoke by the Britons is labeled as Common Brittonic:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_Brittonic
As noted by Tacitus:
QuoteThose who are nearest to the Gauls are also like them, either from the permanent influence of original descent, or, because in countries which run out so far to meet each other, climate has produced similar physical qualities. But a general survey inclines me to believe that the Gauls established themselves in an island so near to them. Their religious belief may be traced in the strongly-marked British superstition. The language differs but little; there is the same boldness in challenging danger, and, when it is near, the same timidity in shrinking from it. The Britons, however, exhibit more spirit, as being a people whom a long peace has not yet enervated. Indeed we have understood that even the Gauls were once renowned in war; but, after a while, sloth following on ease crept over them, and they lost their courage along with their freedom. This too has happened to the long-conquered tribes of Britain; the rest are still what the Gauls once were.
So personally I see no issue to use Gaulish for both factions. From the toponyms and the ethnonyms, I see little difference as well with Gaulish.
14 hours ago, sauerkrautpie said:And for Iberians, i don't think Basque language is the best since its the isolated language and there is no proven link between Indo-European languages. Is it the one in the in-game texts of Iberians?
Iberian language is probably non-indo-european as well. Sadly Iberian is not understandable, we do not know enough the vocabulary and the structure of the language. Furthermore we have no sister language to do a comparison. There is a theory that Basque has some links with the Iberian language, so it is the best we can use at the moment:
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7 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Coinage
Only Roman or Celtic coins, they didn't mint anything themselves at this time.
7 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:pottery
See those:
On 9/12/2019 at 12:25 PM, Genava55 said:Early Jastorf potteries (very early iron age, before 400BC):
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10 minutes ago, sauerkrautpie said:
There is also books like Dictionnaire de la langue gaulois , but it is removed from the web, and to read them French and a little Greek knowledge is needed. I realized French resources are more than the English ones, so this is the reason we can't find anything (maybe). There is few "Gaulish" words can be used at game, i pulled from the first resource.
I use this dictionary from Delamarre, French is my mother tongue.
12 minutes ago, sauerkrautpie said:ambactus - vassal, dependent on the lord.
12 minutes ago, sauerkrautpie said:brogae - field
13 minutes ago, sauerkrautpie said:gaesum - spear, javelin.
nausum - ship
lancea - also spear. [ dó-leicim - “I throw” ]
13 minutes ago, sauerkrautpie said:carrus - two-wheeled wagon (for traders maybe)
carpentum - two-wheeled, covered wagon. (this might be the chariot)
drungus - troop of enemies (this can be use as a sound line)
Those are the latinized version. And brogae is actually what you can see in Allobroges, I don't think it means "field" but "land", "country" or even "territory".
2 hours ago, Stan` said:I think most easy to find Gaulish language is Galatian language, existed in Asia Minor until the 12.century, even though they protected the celtic culture, the language is way too influenced on Greek. The easier non-accurate alternative is Old German, but it makes no sense since it has same resource possibility with Galatian. This is a example text i find it in a website after a google search. Gaulish already used in the in-game text i think.
The Gallic dictionaries generally analyzes Galatian, Lepotian and Gallic as a whole. Sometimes including Brittonic languages.
I will answer further later.
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1 hour ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
@Genava55 please You have references if more art painted in the shields?
Sadly no. Nothing more than the usual simple patterns we already posted in the other thread and sent by private message. There is little known about the Early Germans, especially on their artistic preferences.
Some other reenactment stuff:
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15 minutes ago, Stan` said:
@Genava55 Thanks. What do think of the current state ? What would you change?
I like it. I would say I find a bit weird the upper part of the inner houses with the wicker still visible, without cover wattle-and-daube is pretty useless. Maybe it could be an opportunity to add player color on the upper part (or the lower part) of the house as well. The contrast between white and colored can be appealing.
This is a place of gathering and feasting, an occasion for Gallic aristocrats and elected magistrates (there were elected positions in the Gallic society) to display their wealth in the purpose to get more support (politically, economically and military). We know these particular events were the opportunity to drink wine and indeed there are a lot of amphora remains found in the sanctuary of Corent. Even holes in the ground where wine was poured in, probably as a symbolic ritual to share it with the underground deities. Finally we found another striking feature on the site, coins and tools to produce coins. Maybe the coins were distributed to the guests. I am simply saying these things to give you idea if you want to add more little things.
http://www.luern.fr/index.php?mod=scientifique&act=sanctuaire&id=47&img=32
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On 10/13/2019 at 4:22 AM, Obskiuras said:
I plan use this reference for the fortress:
On 10/17/2019 at 9:15 PM, Obskiuras said:
51 minutes ago, Obskiuras said:Concept art of Suebian fortress, it´s just a pencil sketch of a model for the fortress. It´s not definitive.
Interesting ideas
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10 minutes ago, Stan` said:
That's how it was in the reconsistution there was some kind of totem outside
To be precise, we don't know if this was a statue. The only thing sure, there was some kind of a weapon trophee (tropaion):
https://www.academia.edu/17354860/Le_trophée_de_Corent
From the objects found (4 shields bosses, a scabbard, a chain mail and a Gallic boar standard), it was probably not a statue.
To give you an idea in a different context:
https://youtu.be/GczRbefa16k?t=755
30 minutes ago, Nescio said:When zooming in on the damaged spots on the wall, I see horizontal lines that look like wicker. On the image of the maquette from the website of the archaeological site, the outer wall consists of a vertical wooden poles (i.e. a palisade) covered with plaster.
It seems that wicker is more correct according to the description from the site. This is like half-timbered construction (à colombage en français). Wooden poles with wicker frames.
http://luern.free.fr/Articles et rapports/Esquisse.htm
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1 hour ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Don't take Lindybeige too seriously, especially on the matter of overhand grip.
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1 hour ago, Alexandermb said:
@wowgetoffyourcellphone @Genava55 maybe a simple dot refering to the places were the player color shows on every pattern could help, since the references are just brown and kind purple, would that brown/purple zone will be the player color?
I think the player color should be the biggest area. The Germans were actually coloring their shields a lot, at least for the elites and the nobles.
I really suggest to focus on higher grade Germanic shields for the moment, it would be easier. So shields fully colored.
So in those examples I would suggest to use blue/red/green area as the player color
Edit: by the way do not took in account the subdivision in basic/advanced/elite made on this draft, it was made without any consultation nor approval.
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5 minutes ago, Stan` said:
I guess they were pretty good craftsmen
So perfect sounds good.
I don't know what is their basis for this circle thing. If you want to use alternative feel free.
On this matter, we don't know what was drawn on the walls.
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Just now, Stan` said:
Under what license are those things?
Connaissant l'INRAP, probablement la plus restrictive possible pour le monde de la recherche
But it would be maybe possible to blend different elements and to alter the design. The designs themselves are Gallic, this is only redrawn.
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On 4/10/2020 at 12:01 AM, Genava55 said:
Yes. Based on the sanctuary found in Corent. Another sanctuary similar has been found in Tintignac as well.
It is possible to slightly modify the building from the reference. It only needs to keep the essence of the building.
By the way @Stan` I don't know if it can be useful for you, but here a few pictures from painted ceramics found in Auvergne during this time period (end of La Tène).
In the spoiler bar.
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It comes from different potteries found in Auvergne, the actual region where the Arverni (a Gallic tribe) were living. I don't know which one the artist took exactly but it doesn't matter. I gave several pictures in my previous message. Here a view of the real potteries in their actual state:
http://arvernie.free.fr/spip.php?article40
The other alternative could be to use the different panels from Gundestrup cauldron.
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10 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
So Early Germans were the quintessential "barbarians" as we currently visualize the term. "Conan the Barbarian" esque.
This is maybe a bit excessive view and this painting is a 1840s representation of Arminius.
Early Germans could have an interesting roster but they also have this issue of very few attested protective equipment. At this time the Germans were economically poor, producing very little things from themselves. There is a bit more warriors burials in the East with the Przeworsk culture and a bit more foreign weapons along the Rhine.
The Germans seem to offset their lack of equipment with their passion for war, their guerrilla tactics and their skill. Although it was not that much effective against the Roman war machine, this was enough to discourage them from conquering their economically uninteresting and difficult to control territories without urban power centers. Too big cost for little gain.
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25 minutes ago, Obskiuras said:
The closest thing we have is that they wore celtic helmets.
When the Celts were still independent at least yes. After that, the Celtic helmets definitely vanishes everywhere, even in the East.
Probably that the best ways to acquire helmets at this time were receiving gifts and mercenary/auxiliary experience.
This is probably why we found roman helmets as well deep in the North
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7 hours ago, Lopess said:
Wonder for Gauls?
Yes. Based on the sanctuary found in Corent. Another sanctuary similar has been found in Tintignac as well.
2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:Yes. Also, break up the long sides maybe a little bit to add dimension (add beams or insets) ? Would that be permissible @Nescio @Genava55? The edges of the rooflines (where the tiles meet) on the 2 small interior structures could use some dimension. Also, flowers, vines, etc. Maybe a custom decal texture for the interior grounds.
It is possible to slightly modify the building from the reference. It only needs to keep the essence of the building.
By the way @Stan` I don't know if it can be useful for you, but here a few pictures from painted ceramics found in Auvergne during this time period (end of La Tène).
Spoiler
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5 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:
Sad. So any helmet by their own?
Before the migration period, nope.
Excepted the weird wooden helmets from Lolland.
Probably they would have used first Celtic helmets (especially Coolus-Mannheim type and Port type) then Roman helmets type. There is also a Negau type with a Germanic inscription, although it is a bit far from their homeland.
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In Irish iron age monuments, there is a rite observed several times in the archeological records: most buildings are burnt after a while and some are rebuilt after that.
There is a theory suggesting a ritualistic destruction, maybe related to the death of a king.
Anyway, it could be fun from a gameplay perspective to sacrifice the wonder for a strategic goal (temporary bonus, special units etc. etc.).
Not necessarily to destroy the building, maybe the stone part can remain and the player can rebuild it on top with a discount.
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Cantalon.
This is a word attested on an inscription about a religious ceremony. There are different readings but it could has designated a circular monument, from the Gaulish Cantos, the circle.
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Nobody knows how and when the Celtic languages splited. This is a very strong debate in linguistic notably between the models of Karl Horst Schmidt and Kim McCone.
Yes! The difference is that the first video is 100% based on non-existent material while the second is based on existent material, real written record in Gaulish.
The Common Brittonic video is based on linguistic reconstruction from an amateur. Those texts do not exist in the historical records. It depends on the hypothesis and the model of the person carrying out the reconstruction.
It is in your mind. You are comparing Gaulish written during the Gallo-Roman period with a non-existent reconstruction of Brittonic.
I am not a linguist, so I rely on the opinion of expert. In the case of Delamarre, he clearly states on the first page of his dictionary that he considers the Celtic language spoken in Southern Britain during the Late Iron Age (100 BC - AD 100) as only a variant of the language spoken in the continent.