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Actually it’s not broken but it’s OP. The poster is just trolling that he is only playing SP. He knows situation in the lobby. I watch your game with IRush and you almost got beaten and in fact he just resigned in frustration but was leading you in the end. You were just lucky to be Iberian and he never anticipated that his spartiates can get trapped. He did the same strategy on OP team game and positioned on the border and beat his opposing side. He repeated it and was doubled without help so he/they lost. If there was no help from opposing teammates that opponent becomes cosmic. Now like Reza he is challenging good/decent players and no one accepts. With small map on 1v1 mainland it’s harder to counter the rush if you’re just a decent player. Separates (is a champion) are strong units that really doesn’t belong in P1. Fanatics being OP is not in doubt but at least they are in P2.

But players on OP team laugh at you! One host even threatened to ban you on his game if fanatics get nerfed. They think it’s your antidote of your cavalry. The champ really looks good with its attributes no need to nerf, I’ll second on just requiring them metal as probably in previous alpha. I only played this game up to A24 and really did not see much of fanatics being used too often. Now it’s really OP.

I’m not a pro but what Aslan did using fanatics can be done by any decent player. Gauls in the pocket and no one disrupt him (there was an attempt but foiled by fanatics), he just simply use fanatics and imo with less micro. He’s just attacking suicidal and imo he doesn’t care if they die because he can simply easily produce them “non-stop” with only food and wood which he has abundantly. Metal were just for upgrade and a couple of stone for temples (8). Before researching P3 ahead of anybody all cavalry rushers are already neutralized. Now pumping minimum of 24 fanas fully P2 upgraded and CS and women were just gathering, his teammates can just relax and building up forces for continuous assault. Fanatics are not fighting main frontal forces they simply disrupt your game and without metal requirements imo they are OP (mostly on TG). Meanwhile opponents are still trying to upgrade their units. He never use cavalry except his starting one. The game I spectated was 7/26, players were Mcaurell, Atric-lll, wolf, storm on T1. Aslan, Havran, potato and Docorgans on T2. I just don’t know how to upload it, trying but failed. Please moderator delete my empty posts above.

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Dakara illustration is better than yours @Deicide4u. Somehow you can’t make sense because you don’t play multiplayer. Regardless of any illustration here you can’t compare the devastating effect of fanatics in game on TG. It’s a game changer. From starting at P2 up to the end where you can spam up to 25 fully upgraded (from blacksmith) infinitely, how can you stop it? I’ve seen it. Cavalry being microed as well as infantry they just dropped and when they killed all fanatics another more than 20 sets comes in again and again. as I’ve said they might get countered in 1v1 but in team game it’s going to be pain.

Isn’t it dumb to compare/equate 7 fanatics vs 8 spearmen and 12 promoted javelins?

@Fabiusare you playing against AI? I never heard any multiplayer producing 100 champ cavalry. Also on that particular I spectated no one had ever stopped Aslans menacing fanatics. Not Artric, not wolf not Mcaurell. And JC aka Docorgans who almost become cosmic looked good. With fully upgraded fanatics from the blacksmith who can stop it? Being a bit realistic adds playability. It adds more strategy.

@Player of 0ADwhy don’t you accept the challenge? I’m not defending Reza but if you accept the challenge it might show win or lose the need to rebalance or not. With CS and women just gather food and wood aslan do is send only fanatics and it doesn’t matter if they die because there will always be waves coming back over. Im sure this strategy may not work/win on 1v1 all the time but its going to be annoying on team games. This will also show there is no need of CS if a faction has this type of warrior not needing extra resources like metal. Since most of the players commenting here disagree with Reza would it hurt to rebalance fanatics requiring metal? Nevertheless in this game all entities should require metal from women to elite units to buildings. Literally how can they work without metal?

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Aslan is too good. In one of my spectated game he used 8 temple and attacked the opponents with waves after waves of fanatics and at the same time sending food and wood to teammates!

I spectated a high level team game where I saw that fanatics are very OP. That player used 4 temple and attacking wave after wave of fanatics. Food imo is not really a problem on the game once you reached T2. In fact they are used to barter resources like stone and metal most of the time.

Against 1 very hard AI, all trees around the CC and even chicken preserved. All units including starting ones promoted. As of last save no death.

I used all the techs except probably the counterintelligence which I couldn’t find out how it works now, whether I play SP or MP. So don’t remove them. The assessment is imo based on land maps to which most players play. Lack of metals and stones are just the hindrances to research.

More different structures the better.

It’s the same RTS but has more depth, having more depth means needs more strategy than just build, gather and make military. Each RoN faction has different style and strategy. Attrition is not much of importance. Back to topic. Imo a slight reduction on training time and speed would really benefit more casual players and even the game that lags due to tremendous amount of population (on TG).

I used to play multiplayer but I really can’t keep up the pace especially on 1v1 despite knowing the game. Team game is better on 4v4 because the more players the game slows down. But I totally agree that the game is very APM type like AoE and really lacks strategic mechanism. It became very tedious and yes the faster you click the better you are in this game. It’s just build, build, gather, gather and spam units on multiple barracks or stables. Unlike Rise of Nations you have to be strategic on so many aspects that all units up to enlightenment age are very precious despite resources can be gathered infinitely. Units in 0ad are very dispensable and except probably the Iberian champion cavalry it’s really futile to train other champions. Units and buildings don’t increase in price so spamming is prevalent.

You don’t need too much Econ to beat any AI on single player up to the most aggressive and hardest ones. As most recommended just play slow, and raid them. Only if you’re playing MP you need to manage a lot of things.

@myou5e will you please include the other factions from Terra Magna (Zapotecs, very gorgeous) and Mil AD (Norse, Anglo Saxons and Byzantine)? You can put any done Hero if they are missing though. Balancing in SP games doesn’t tbh as CS are enough to get through and beat 2 toughest AIs. Whether theses factions aren’t complete with no naval units don’t matter at all. The most important thing is you can show these well done factions. I hope at least some modders can make a mod with all these not included (in main game) factions together.

@myou5e definitely I will test it if it’s working or not as long as you introduce new mechanics. I recently been playing the game in SP but as usual it becomes a little bit annoying without more realistic game mechanics. I tried Aoe2DE for 300 hours after its release but the freakin AI enemy just stall and not doing anything even if I give them resources. The only thing that’s good is the monk who can convert units and no matter what you do the AI just stop attacking despite having so many units. Tbh both 0ad and Aoe lacks depth compared to RoN imo. Somehow AoE is only playable on windows. 0ad has so many units but I’m not a fan of too many colorful ones although they were being made historical. Lots of champion units look really good but Roman principate skirmisher and swordsmen really look cool. But mauryan and another archer from South America faction I don’t remember are both really natural looking units. The best looking looking naval map is the Cycladic Archipelago but the Enemy AI has a serious pathfinding issue. Ships gets stuck and therefore organic units get stuck. Very narrow passages between small middle islands compound the issues as either ships and trader ships are getting bogged down. DE has one pretty good random map with lakes so naval can be of use. One last 2 critic, can’t zoom out be extended more? It’s so hard to capture a shot of your whole settlement tbh. And why do skirmishers having fun like jogging? Can’t they just walk or if running is implemented then they can either jog or run? Archers behave so naturally, why not the skirmisher? Im just a gamer... Simple accomplishment on AoE 2DE 9 unhurt wolves were rounded in a small area https://steamcommunity.com/sharedfiles/filedetails/?id=1944364833

Since I started playing from A21 up to now I never noticed any changes in mechanics except balancing and few fixes just to maintain the game running and playable. No one even dared to itrdiminish spamming of units I know that the programming side has limited manpower which will really stall the game to its current state. Are there any dev members (On the programming area) really interested to further introduce other mechanics like ammo, armory, supply wagon, and other defense structures. Also citizen-soldiers are fine but could they just start from being regular peasants but once upgraded to citizen soldiers could they just be builders as they really look like professional soldiers? Any new mechanics don’t need to be incorporated to the main game but just place those into the repository so that some modders can use such new assets. Any new addition/s might require added micromanagement but imo it is where great games can evolve. It’s not just about fast spamming units but rather adding more depth to the game. You train soldiers with just food and wood/metal but no weapons and armor (units have armor stats) being produced. You make towers and forts that fire projectiles without garrisoned range units (same as ghost warships), you train range organic units and sieges with unlimited projectiles. What’s the reason why I the mechanics can’t be closer to realistic? As I’ve said these things don’t need to be in the main game in which MP games are the top priority. I think the programming side are not capable, ofc I’m not capable because the field is not what I studied or trained for. Alexandermb and other art members is/are really working quite hard to do animations for possible changes that may be introduced. The players are trying to contribute so that when funds can be collected perhaps the devs can hire a good programmer/s Or why not give some monetary reward/s to the dev members? At least each and everyone’s contribution were not only recognized but rather rewarded.

Wow that’s really awesome to have units (more units) on elevated defense structures! @Nescio your 0abc mod has this wall/gate features already? The current game works smoothly at .25 speed (which is my preferred SP speed), I had 500 population and 2 Hardest AIs have a combined 700 population (On a 300 max pop game) in my current vanilla game and it’s really satisfying. Tested a DE last night and was really fun to have a different mechanics that could keep a player think more than just spamming units. I was really surprised that the enemy AI got ahead of me in accumulating honors. And Romans have archers! I will check 0abc tonight and see how the game has evolved, I hope it runs smoothly and enemy AI must make more armies. Also hoping that the enemy AI units on naval maps aren’t bugged up anymore. Hats off to all the dev team for dedicating their time, to the modders you guys really rock. As I played DoM I learned a little bit of knowledge changing a modded game xml files (easily) and found out that 0ad have almost similar process but looks complicated. DoM xml files are too easy to alter that even very inexperienced player like me can do it. I hope 0ad mods files can be made easier and applicable on OSX too!

As I’ve said every Civs have archers regardless if they aren’t specialized on it. So increasing it’s cost won’t affect any gameplay balance even in MP as they will not be a viable unit to train. Some previous alpha had this complete wololo units building structures once captured and it’s quite fun to have multiple structures on your settlement. Since cheat is disabled in MP there’s no point to remove it at all in SP. I will be visiting DE, 0ABC and some other mods soon and see how far the improvement/s on these mods.

So A24 are mostly balance changes and will only benefit multiplayer games. Probably the consolation is if there are new aesthetics. I’m trying the game back in anticipation of the new alpha but it’s still disappointing to have no improvement on single player. I hope some mods can make more additional mechanics. Despite my not so good in making videos I’m trying to make some for the game so I would like to inquire if it’s possible to add a couple of add ons for the sake of having more fun. Not for vanilla as it’s really not going to happen. These are impossible request I think there’s no harm in trying 1. Give all walled civilizations archer units, whether the basic units cost 3x don’t matter in single player. The game has infinite resources by way of the traders. Make Athens train archer units regardless if there is or no ships. If the Civ has really no archers (which I never thought in real life) they should have embassies to train mercenary archers. 2. Bring back the mechanics in which “wololoed” units can build their civilization structures. 3. Make better wall systems that can accommodate more archers (foot ranged units). 4. Make more water maps with huge area to at least conveniently build more structures accommodating 300 population with ease.

@bbgotbanned perhaps Pudim was the gaia in that game and became mad at you for your persistent shaming him :(