fatherbushido

(... after fighting with message formatting in the forum) The answers above are personal. - The first release will be called "1". The following one "2" and so on. Implicit status are perhaps: "developed", "maintained", "orphaned". - There are gameplay changes and gameplay new elements. We could discuss more about what we mean by gameplay, about the role of modders, about the role of communauty, about SP, about MP, a too long discussion for that topic ;-) - No spoilers. There are a lot of work done and to do on the engine. - It's the name of the project. Open to questions and suggestions!

Good idea

Yes! It could appear frustrating but we choose the hard way. But you can get the answers of your question, just ask here, in pm or on irc ;-) (Also just a general recall, we are a free and open source fork!)

Let's open a challenge for the Fork ad logo then. I will submit your proposals!

Good to know!

A year had passed according to Gregorian calendar. Still: - no Fork AD initial release since the announce the 12/11/2018 - no Zero AD release since the 05/18/2018 Let's hope some news soon!

while (true) @Alexandermb

Perhaps that's what you are looking for: https://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/ps/trunk/binaries/data/mods/public/simulation/components/Foundation.js#L88

I think you would be seduced by the Fork AD AI then :-)

One ring to rule them all

96 is perhaps 95.04

Yes many things are coming even if the confidentiality clause until first release could appear frustrating. Zero AD and Fork AD codebase has now diverged a lot. That said we are still welcoming and searching skilled developers, artists, modders and an IBM 5100. Stay tuned

365 days later Fork AD, Fork yeah! Let's celebrate the one year birthday of that announce.

You can tweak that a bit with the "gravity" (I don't know if it's still here in current svn). That's basically linked to the (max) height of the trajectory (parabola).

Ok, that's not an issue but I think that you used the old ones. I noticed that because it was already the cases in r20483 and/or r20545.

No... - There is the blend1 remaining (the replaced one). - Also I don't remember if "Animations main file" covers what is covered in the other ones. - But my point was that the new one should be included and that the others should be ripped so that there is only one source (sic) of information. Biped sounds a better name indeed. My wonder was to know which source files he based his work on (because enrique added differents files and the last ones used "Armature_*" ids).

One would have to clean and make consistent your source files too: https://trac.wildfiregames.com/browser/art_source/trunk/art/meshes%20and%20animations/skeletal/units/New%20units%20blends Also, it's irrelevant and not important, but it seems that most of Alexander's files have internal id "Biped_*" (like the first enrique's experiment) and not "Armature_*", have you an idea why?

I will give an example of the total mismatch. It's the last time I repeat it! 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Because there were experimental new meshes in r151915 (sources probably in r18137, r18138, r18971) And stable new meshes in r19061 (sources probably in r19137) And files in r20483, r20545 (among others, I gave lists) uses anim files based on the experimental new meshes (while those meshes don't exist anymore). So the really annoying things is those "broken" .dae (mismatch between mesh and anims) which results of different sources files lying around.

For the first point, I would say #4460 is the top of the iceberg. AlexanderMB's job is adressing more than it. If it was only the 3 duplicated vertices groups, we could have done it (for the meshes and the anims). For the second point: yes, all will be fine!

about updating all ("all" = "new" units): In the .dae *animation* files, you will find the same block as in the .dae *mesh* file. And #4460 is one third of the issue. The other main issue is that the old meshes (with 39 (42 with the 3 dupes) vertices groups were used despite we have in the repo the ones with 42 (45 with the 3 dupes) vertices groups): two different sources files were used. It made impossible to script fixes the duplicated vertices issues (ie the *Name_array* list of vertices, the *float_array* matrix, the *v* vertex weights).

Because it won't be more logical. Those things were stacked, where people use things with their own interpretation. We could flatten the whole thing and then decided what is a logical organization. It would be "change many things for little benefit". (And then someone else will think something else is more logical). -- Let's look at the CitizenSoldier class. I permit myself to quote your recent proposal: The argument "all auras and technologies use the CitizenSoldier class when referring to non-Champion non-Hero Soldiers" is not an argument. It proofs that about ten entries using that were wrong (probably committed by me too). Or you move CitizenSoldier to VisibleClasses (then it should be translated) or you use things like "Citizen Soldier" in those techs/auras. -- Then back to my "no", there are as you exactly mentioned the AI to check but also the gui (yes classes are used here) and possibly the lobby! -- (I don't want to be right or criticize or proof anything (sorry by advance if electronic communication let that feeling).)

No!

Your thoughts are interesting and you in fact pointed out some issues. Worker is used in more than 20 technology and auras so it should be visible. Citizen is in fact not so used in things that should be communicated to the player. (we could use it more). Some specific classes like FemaleCitizen, CitizenSoldier are used in the gui but are not visible. They should (or they shouldn't be used). Note that you can also do operation on classes sometimes (like interesection or union). Support seems not so used in things that should be communicated to the play. So for example: The starting cavalry unit is: Citizen, not Worker, not Support. It is not affected by the basket economic technology. It is affected by the female aura. The starting infantry unit is: Citizen, Worker, not Support. It is affected by the basket economic technology. It is affected by the female aura.

If I am not wrong, some data types used in the code fit the number of players. So it would require some careful work. (It's not like if there was just a number to change everywhere.)