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I was there a few weeks ago. Magical place.

I'm glad to see all this discussion In the future we can try some speed balancing to see how things turn out. @Dakara I see what you are saying about cavalry, but part of balancing CS units is considering their economic roles. I recall we discussed some naval balance stuff, maybe it was in the dedicated topic. We can certainly continue to tweak the naval balance. Scout ship to p1, also nerfing the scout ship a little, decrease fire ship wood cost. I can also add in the fix for the Kushite fire arrows technology.

I don't see any parallel between the naval rebalance and a cap on the number of cavalry available.

You are the true 0ad influencer, @JC (naval supremacist). You've made my day. thanks

The naval rebalance deserve its own new topic Ideally we also get some feedback from single players who play a lot more naval than us

Stop being salty and click the invite! Ok ok @TheCJI edited my previous post ok? I have no interest in arguing with you. Take whatever problems you have to the disputes channel

yes, forgot to mention it's annoying and will be debated and hated by a lot BUT, they implemented this new naval system in a similar fashion so who knows

I mean, you would try not to kill the horse, but capture it, no? That sentiment is very understandable. You seem to have reached a point where you have a good understanding of the basics of most/all civilizations, hence why you notice that some units being equal for certain civs doesnt really feel right. But there is a counter-argument for more differentiation, as it is more complex, especially for newer players. When you first pick up the game, you would be happy if you could rely on a spearman doing the same no matter which civ you are, no?

nobody claimed it was. I agree that different discord servers can only really be a boon to the common user, hence why I wished you; That being said, is a bold statement, considering you literally said which reads; "This server is designed to [be] [...] superior to 0AD Enjoyers, as I offer [...] freedoms that they don't have, especially when it comes to [...] NSFW content. I will not ban you for swearing or political incorrectness." Its true, you didnt directly say "0AD Enjoyers bans for swearing" but the implication is more than obvious when you say you offer freedoms we dont have and follow it up with "I will not ban you for swearing or political incorrectness".

do it = kill balance lol you know romans have free champ if melee unit upgrade level for example. I don't see the issue of blueprint-modelled units Nothing prevent to have unique unit for each civ like fanatic, dog etc

You have to kill the horse, as well as the man So, even more blueprint-modelled units. We should strive more towards civilizational strengths and weaknesses, not just slap the same stats on everything and give them a different model. For example, Roman infantry gets more hack armor and HP because it was that good. However, their cavalry was not good, so they get a small nerf. Spartan spear infantry is stronger (yes, I know we have a tech for this. But, so do the Athenians, who were philosophers) and faster, but it has weaker rams or something. Also, economic bonuses should applied more liberally, to support the civilization's strengths.

The total freedom, for the best and the worse, like a wedding ♥

Irrelevant and off-topic. My server exists parallel to yours with focus on technical side + additional bots and experimental features. It is by no means a competitor nor an undermine of 0ad enjoyers. Your server is stable and active, whereas you can test out & discuss bleeding edge ideas in mine, as I'm not afraid of you breaking something. All users get elevated rights. Furthermore @TheCJ, I'm not implying anything about you or meister or your server. I'm just emphasising that i don't censor nsfw content in the ages restricted channels

I was just trolling, of course you are right

And how is that an argument for fostering an environment where people wish each other pain and death?

Who cares about the events of the past when atrocities just as terrible, or even worse, are still happening in the 21st century? The real problem is not learning from history to prevent it from happening again. I don't make the difference between burning someone alive and killing them with a bomb while they sleep, when they are innocent it's the same atrocity

Annoying idea and nothing related to historic route

Idea number 453 : infantery and cav same stat except speed Make simple changes -> Standardize cavalry and infantry. Their only difference would be their gathering and repair capacity and move speed. This would be balanced by an additional food cost of about 60%. So now the only advantage of cavalry is speed. We remove all specific anti-cavalry counters, it a noob feature. The train time is same as infantery too. Later we can think about giving cavalry units as already exist for the Persians with the axe. cav cityzen example : 50 food 50 wood / 50 HP / 1/1/0 armor 16 pierce attack 1,5 speed / attack capture 2.5 / Move speed no change 80 food 50 wood / 50HP / 1/1/0 armor 16 pierce attack 1,5 speed / attack capture 2.5 / Move speed 16.8 champ cav example : 80 food 60 wood 80 metal /200 HP / 3/3/0 armor 16 hack attack 0.75 speed / attack capture 5 / Move speed no change 120 food 60 wood 80 metal /200 HP / 3/3/0 armor 16 hack attack 0.75 speed / attack capture 5 / Move speed 18 For civ good in cav we have a new tech : HP Cav +10% for a cost +10% cost food. Of course we delete the basic tech of life for all civ. Resume and strategy goal : Make cav a strategic choice and not the best op choice. You still have to produce more food for have a cavalry support Give to noob Attack capture is same as infantry, train time too. Of course they will melt ! but you can runnnnn with them, choose when you want to fight. Delete counter feature, your natural damage without counter or multiplier should be use at good target -> more snipe and move cav where you want to maximize your damage. Reduces classic tactical errors and make the game more noob friendly with this infantry buff. An all-cavalry army will always be stronger than an all-cavalry army, but not in a noisy fight, the units will be equal. There will be ways to differentiate gameplay, don't worry.

You got a 24h timeout (not a ban) for [something]. That's not a ban for "political incorrectness". Thats just a logical repercussion for your transgressions. Honestly ban-worthy, but we all know nobody can ban you, as you are more than capable of making another account. Therefore I humbly ask you to stop lying by implication about the 0ad-enjoyers discord server- We dont ban for swearing or political incorrectness. We time-out people that seem to be overly emotional, racist or misogynistic. And I hope you do the same on your discord server. Best of luck in your endeavours.

if you wanna go historic route, then every civ should have a cap on cavalry unit as a % of total pop possible. this cap will be unique for each civ and should respect the historical army of each civ. for example, horses are not native to India. they imported them from the middle east and this horse trade was sought after. Persia, obviously, had a large cav force. Hans too, as a result of constant Xiongnu threat ammased gargantuous amount of cavalry force and so on

nice to see new 0AD discord servers! on that note, our discord server has recently crossed over 150 members! we have a 0AD discord server tag as well!

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Could always check out historical cav We are trying to figure out how to represent them best historically. Agree with what you say about "auxilliary force" few of these civs used cav as the bulk of their army, if any...

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To me it’s clear that the counter alone (whether it should be 2.5x or 3x) is not enough to balance the champ cav and cs cav. In my opinion a speed nerf is needed.