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Another take at this, considering all kind of notifications I can remember, and all that has been said: My changes (just by clumsily editing images): 1) Tech icons at the same level as group icons. 2) Website moved under logo, and moved version information to the lower right instead (that background should be transparent). 3) Chat moved up and left, not to clash with the group icons*. 4) System messages aligned with chat, moved down to where the panel would appear, and filled upwards. A bit of a weird position since it's not part of the actual game, ideally shouldn't display anything (besides saved game notifications, I guess). 5) Top centre notifications moved to the upper right, mirroring the chat. 6) Observer options moved to the left upper bar. This works hand in hand nicely with the following point. 7) Hero icon on the top and a bit left position. When following a player, enemy Heroes could appear in the top and a bit right position. 8) Victory condition icons on the right upper bar (the white numbers could change colours if wanted): -Ceasefire: with time remaining (I'm not sure if any additional info can be added in yellow). -Wonders: with shortest time to someone's victory, and number built in yellow**. -Relics: with number captured, and total in yellow. -Regicide: with number remaining, and total in yellow (not that useful but whatever). -Clock: with match time remaining (if a mode requires so), and time elapsed in yellow***. Notes: *If group icons become more tree-like to accommodate battalions (as I proposed), the chat would still have at least 6 or 7 lines before clashing with them. **Notifications could additionally appear in the upper right for every minute remaining of the last five minutes of anyone to victory, and become a permanent countdown when a minute remains (or whatever times are considered appropriate). There's space for that, and notifications should be ordered according to time remaining. ***A "-" (dash) could be used if a mode is not active (besides, I think someone mentioned it's not possible to remove icons, but if it is, icons for deactivated modes could be removed, and in that case the clock would be optional to have, depending if one wants to still see time elapsed).

It needs to be in the zip but that's it.

Sure, but bad rules have led to bad consequences. That's why palisades and walls are useless: people just cram buildings, and then say that's how tactics are, as if it were the only way to do things (and as if the present way is not resulting in nonsense). As I've said, you could make ranged infantry fly, and have coherent tactics and balanced gameplay, but that's not what's stated as the vision for this game, and the people that stagnate the game because otherwise would get frustrated that their memorised build orders won't work anymore should know better. I've only really played with the Spartans and the Athenians, because my intention is to review each civ and point out interesting historical stuff that could be added, and inaccurate stuff that should be changed (and I like to properly source every sentence, so it takes time going through many books). I've only done this with the Spartans for now, where I've mentioned that a stone theatre was a very late addition (Roman according to some, although it has Greek aesthetics), and it's not something "characteristic" of this civ anyway, maybe except for an early one for military festivals, as mentioned. The Athenian is certainly Roman.

I have 32 GB of RAM I used -j28 (usual value for 0ad in the past and building other AUR packages) now i decreased to -j1. the same error occurs. I suspect this is more of a dependency version issue than a RAM issue

I had a similar problem, it looks like building spidermonkey requires huge amount of RAM, and if you don't have enough of it some build process crash. If you are building with -jX (with X which works fine for 0ad and the other libraries), you may want to decrease X when running build-source-libs.sh , so there are less simultaneously build processes and maximum RAM usage decrease.

Could you attach mainlog.html (from the logs folder) with such artifact?

The build failure occured when running /libraries/build-source-libs.sh It is at the checking stage. I am using the latest code from gitea main branch as of 6th September 13:40 UTC ``` 0:03.59 checking for rustc... /usr/bin/rustc 0:03.59 checking for cargo... /usr/bin/cargo 0:03.63 checking rustc version... 1.98.1 0:03.65 checking cargo version... 1.98.1 0:03.67 checking for rust host triplet... 0:03.67 ERROR: Don't know how to translate x86_64-pc-linux-gnu for rustc *** Fix above errors and then restart with "./mach build" ERROR: SpiderMonkey build failed ``` Host OS: Arch Linux I found some similar discussions about spidermonkey packages on the Gentoo forum https://bugs.gentoo.org/915651 hopefully it can be of help

So, the game does it, I don't have to?

Thanks again! This one is a nice source. It's always gameplay vs historical accuracy/realism vs visuals. People will be frustrated if they can't upgrade because they build their theater too close to another building. From what I learned, all hellenic theaters in the game are somehow not a good historical representation? So maybe now is the point to reconsider the footprint. I'd vote to go for a much larger one, as on ancient city plans the theaters are often one of the buildings taking the most space.

What is the kernel version and mesa version? Asking because the Xe driver is still quite new. Also can you consistently reproduce it or was that a one off? Also is it limited to one of opengl or vulkan?

The same is true for other game settings, be it activated cheats, relics win, last survivor or something else. For everybody unsure there is already the game settings page, which can be opened with a single click in the game. In my opinion that's absolutely sufficient (although the information could be provided in a nicer way on that page). There is no place for that with the smaller resolutions we support. Just have it show up when you take a screenshot. Aside from the mentioned problem that players might take screenshots using other tools, there is also a problem when players want to make screenshots documenting visual bugs where dynamically adding something to the taken screenshot might affect the shown bug. It's also potentially confusing or annoying for players who just want to take a screenshot of what is shown on the screen. The panel can be made wider but you cannot take account of the length of usernames You can dynamically (re)size it, based on its content. No matter what, I believe that'd be a nice improvement in terms of UI consistency. This might be over-engineering the screenshot functionality. Mind that 0ad is a game and not a screenshot taking utility. On the other hand I like the possibilities of that. I kind of like the wonder notifications, so right now I'd vote for showing the ceasefire information there as well.

https://gitea.wildfiregames.com/0ad/0ad/wiki/Mod_Verification_Process The game does copy the mod.json automatically next to the zip for faster access.

Can't have this too, for trailers need an option to be disabled, (doesn't have to be user facing though)

I think you might be running out of VRAM.

Probably the whole theatre needs to be removed because it's inspired in its Roman phase. But many reconstructions of the Hellenistic phase show a tiled rooftop, maybe because it was too high by then, and after all the theologeion (stage for the gods) is just some "raised platform or upper level where gods and divine beings could appear and speak", not necessarily the roof of the skene. It could also be that they found tiles and reconstructed it like that, but maybe not the whole roof was tiled. One has to be careful with these reconstructions anyway. That buildings must be the same size as their upgrades is something that I think needs to be reconsidered at some point. The aesthetics you have used seemed fine to me, it's just to change the configuration of things, and then keep fine tuning. Regarding the theatre of Dionysus, I mentioned that the Oxford Dictionary states that "vases with scenes from Attic comedy from the late 5th and early 4th cents. suggest that by this time the stage was about a metre high with a flight of steps in the centre communicating with the orchestra", yet I never see this on reconstructions. With that in mind, there are the most complete and graphical sites I've come across: https://ancienttheatrescom.wpcomstaging.com and https://www.whitman.edu/theatre/theatretour/dionysos/Dionysus Evolution/html files/Home.htm. I'll be taking images and quotes from them and from The History of the Greek and Roman Theater, by M. Bieber, if I don't state the source. Starting with Athens, for an early theatre, the trapezoidal seat plan might be too early, as shown in https://www.whitman.edu/theatre/theatretour/dionysos/Dionysus Evolution/html files/Dionysus.Early.Classical.htm, where one can choose the different phases (again, just reconstructions): While this model I found around would be from a bit later (notice the crane resting behind): But regarding the bench configuration, "Dinsmoor and Caputo believe that it was polygonal", so an alternative is this: Bieber states that "Dinsmoor has given this form to the auditorium of the time of Nicias" (a peace treaty from 421 BC, somewhat early for the time frame of the game). "The spectators sat on wooden benches which, of course, had to be straight, but could be arranged as a polygon. The seats of honor (proedria) were of stone". Also, the skene "was transformed in time from a temporary building, a tent or log cabin, to a permanent stone building, beginning in the period of the peace of Nicias". The following reconstructions are for the 5th century BC (not much can be seen, it's just to have an idea to see how much they vary, and don't want to keep searching sources): Some of those are shown with better quality here: Where there's some debate if the skenotheke (long storehouse behind the skene) was made of wood or stone. This vase fragment shows how the skene would have looked like: So for the early stage, somewhere in the middle of what I've just shown could be considered. For a later stage, the Hellenistic phase should be used: And who knows where the theologeion is now. Bieber states about them that they "may have been occasionally a high platform built of wood", or "over a side building". Regarding Thebes (the Theatre of Phthiotidai Thebes refers to another city-state) there's the theatre at the The Sanctuary of the Kabeiroi, which is 8 km from the city (https://www.mthv.gr/en/beyond-the-museum/tour-in-boeotia/the-sanctuary-of-the-kaviroi), and was built between the 3rd and 1st c. BC (Hellenistic), and had no skene, but an altar in the middle of the orchestra, and it was more religious in nature (https://www.gtp.gr/TDirectoryDetails.asp?ID=14695). In the city itself, Pausanias in his Description of Greece states that "near the Proetidian gate is built a theater, and quite close to the theater is a temple of Dionysus surnamed Deliverer". Luckily I found The Topography of Thebes from the Bronze Age to Modern Times, by S. Symeonoglou, which states that "the only theater of Thebes was, in fact, 600 m north of the gates", but remains are hard to find because stone buildings were "stripped for reuse during the Early Christian and medieval periods", "the theater, which must have been quite large, has so completely disappeared that we can identify no more than its approximate location", "judging from the size of this space, the theater was quite large", "regarding the date of the original construction, the literary record provides no clue. It is likely that it was built at the same time as the temple of Dionysos Lysios, that is, in the Classical period. I can only speculate that the construction of a very large theater with stone seating would not have been possible before 446 B.C., though this does not exclude the possibility that there was an earlier theater built of less permanent material". Then he explains that the reason Pausanias "refers to it as "near" must be that, standing before the Proitides Gates, the theater was the largest, most important, and most easily visible monument in Greater Thebes". Also he mentions that (stone) theatre seats were found when excavating later monuments (supposedly built using them). All this would indicate an evolution similar to Athens, but now I wonder if for them it's necessary to have a wooden version (would be focusing too much on this, while ignoring other things). Regarding Sparta, the theatre "held mostly non-scenic contests and games in honor of Leonidas and other heroes. It had a Hellenistic high stage introduced at a late date and that only in the form of a wooden rolling stage which was stored in a skenotheke, a shed in the parodos, and wheeled out over tracks on play days. This happened probably not before the first century B.C.", so in the Late Hellenistic or Roman period, as I mentioned in my previous post, making it too late for inclusion. Still, Herodotus in his Histories states "it was the time of the Gymnopaidiai; and as Demaratos was a spectator of them", indicating that in 500 BC there was some kind of theatre. Untersuchungen an Griechischen Theatern by H. Bulle states that "ist schon aus der Überlieferung zu entnehmen, daß das Theater ursprünglich nur für nichtszenische Feste bestimmt war, die Gymnopädien, das Ballspiel der Knaben, die Pompe der Hyakinthien u. ä.", confirming a tradition of not having plays, but martial festivals. If wanted (and given that it would be the only choice), a simple wooden theatre could be considered, although it's impossible to guess how it would have looked like. Given that it's Sparta, and how it was used, I would make it at simple as possible, no stage of any kind, and maybe decorated with some weaponry. Anyway, given that the original point was to discuss a wooden Spartan theatre...

Interesting... I think something like that happened to me when playing ponies ascent when using siege weapons. I'm not sure how to fix it though

I think the railing here gives some nice detail: And then you can do some UV mapping creativity to make the walls look not-plain. Perhaps along the backside there can be hanging shields.

Weird issue where everything appears in shadow. Fixes itself when changing the shadow quality while in game. Works after that until the app is restarted. OS: Kubuntu 26.04.1 GPU: Intel Arc B580 CPU: AMD Ryzen 5 5500 The video is av1 hope that isn't an issue. Didn't want to send a massive file. Video_2026-09-05_19-27-25.mp4

Right, my opinion as well.

@Thalatta Thanks for your research and explanation! I'll go with this one then. That was actually what I started with, but the reference doesn't help much. It's basically just two cuboids put on each other and filled up with props. It will look too empty for the 0-A.D.-style. I would need some ideas of how I could give it a more interesting shape, or add fences, windows, doors, awnings, curtains, canvas, columns etc... It's also much smaller than the corresponding stone skene in the later theaters. If we want it to be upgradeable it should have the same footprint, which means I have a lot of space to fill up. If you got ideas, let me know I'll try to be creative (which is not my strong point :D) and then it hopefully won't be too far from historical accuracy.

Just in case, I meant when taking a screenshot. For the player to constantly see it could be optional.

And then after the wooden one is done, maybe remove the tiled rooftop from the skene of the 'stone' theater? Make it a flat roof (with a small lip around the edge) with a trap door on top and a crane? So, keep the U shape of the skene, but remove the angled tiled roof. We can keep the tiled actor to give to the Seleucids and Ptolemies or something, while Athenians get the new flat-roofed+crane version.

Sorry if I overloaded something, I uploaded the files a couple of times trying to find out the problem

Is the mod structure supposed to be like this: modname.zip --mod.json --modname.zip ----mod.json ----modfiles or: --modname.zip ----mod.json ----modfiles

Right, if we really wanted it to, we could have the option to toggle off the logo, but the build info would always show up (no option to toggle off).