Lion.Kanzen Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 4 hours ago, Gurken Khan said: We have a Topic about Sea Peoples. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted February 11 Author Report Share Posted February 11 42 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said: We have a Topic about Sea Peoples. Right. Seems @Genava55 is the only other user around from that thread, so I won't be cross-posting or anything. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted February 11 Report Share Posted February 11 1 hour ago, Gurken Khan said: Right. Seems @Genava55 is the only other user around from that thread, so I won't be cross-posting or anything. Either way I will do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted February 22 Author Report Share Posted February 22 Neandertaler klebten Werkzeug mit Urzeit-Uhu Forscher haben einen 40.000 Jahre alten Klebstoff entdeckt, mit dem Neandertaler ihre Werkzeuge reparierten. Scientists discovered 40,000 years old glue Neanderthals used on their tools; the two compounds (ocher and bitumen) apparently had to be fetched from far away locations, adding complexity to this achievement. I think this lines up nicely with ~recent discoveries that the Neanderthals were capable of much more than they were given credit for earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted May 14 Author Report Share Posted May 14 (edited) I didn't know there was one around IRL. Edit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olympias_(trireme) Edited May 14 by Gurken Khan 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted May 18 Author Report Share Posted May 18 Some "old acquaintances" in this one, but I don't think I heard about e.g. Warren Field or Liu Hui before. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted June 22 Author Report Share Posted June 22 I didn't like the clickbaity title and you might think he steers too far into conspiracy territory; but the footage sure doesn't look like an archaeological site should be treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 https://youtube.fandom.com/wiki/Bright_Insight https://science.feedback.org/reviewed-content-author/jimmy-corsetti/ https://m.jpost.com/omg/article-748550 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted June 22 Report Share Posted June 22 4 hours ago, Gurken Khan said: I didn't like the clickbaity title and you might think he steers too far into conspiracy territory; but the footage sure doesn't look like an archaeological site should be treated. I don't see anything unusual, you should compare Pompei and Gobekli Tebe. Both are not entirely excavated and won't be in a close future. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted Thursday at 09:50 Report Share Posted Thursday at 09:50 On 22/06/2024 at 9:29 PM, Gurken Khan said: I didn't like the clickbaity title and you might think he steers too far into conspiracy territory; but the footage sure doesn't look like an archaeological site should be treated. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted Friday at 12:59 Author Report Share Posted Friday at 12:59 On 23/06/2024 at 1:31 AM, Genava55 said: I don't see anything unusual, you should compare Pompei and Gobekli Tebe. Both are not entirely excavated and won't be in a close future. The roads and stilts rammed through the ancients structures did look unusual/wrong to me. Over 75% of Pompei is excavated and I'm under the impression that I quite frequently read about updates from there. Can't say that about Göbekli Tepe. I don't agree with not fully exploring significant historic sites; if every part of that exploration needs to involve invasive means and if everything needs to be dragged to light and air might be a different discussion. I tried to look for more details on that exclusive deal for the company but didn't find much; currently I'm not suspecting anything more sinister than "normal" corruption/nepotism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted Friday at 14:53 Report Share Posted Friday at 14:53 Quote I would like to go on record affirming that I hope Göbekli Tepe is *never* fully excavated. Archaeology is not about finding treasures or preparing ancient sites for tourism. It is about answering specific questions using clever strategies that are minimally invasive. I've never understood why an archaeological site should "never" be fully excavated. What's the point? Hopes that future technology can be less invasive or what? That's really the only real good reason to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted Friday at 14:54 Report Share Posted Friday at 14:54 1 hour ago, Gurken Khan said: I don't agree with not fully exploring significant historic sites; if every part of that exploration needs to involve invasive means and if everything needs to be dragged to light and air might be a different discussion. It is always the case. Archaeology is a destructive process and archaeological ressources are not renewable, except by creating more material from the current period. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted Friday at 14:57 Report Share Posted Friday at 14:57 2 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: I've never understood why an archaeological site should "never" be fully excavated. What's the point? Hopes that future technology can be less invasive or what? That's really the only real good reason to me. Because people knowing the topic have seen the damages by 19th century archaeology. We must not consume every archeological reserves/ressources we know for future generation and for future technology. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted Friday at 14:58 Report Share Posted Friday at 14:58 This is not a fringe opinion from a lonely archaeologist, the huge majority of people in the field has this opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted Friday at 16:14 Report Share Posted Friday at 16:14 (edited) 3 hours ago, Gurken Khan said: Over 75% of Pompei is excavated and I'm under the impression that I quite frequently read about updates from there. You should really read on the topic instead of reacting emotionally. Pompeii was discovered in 1709 and has known several excavations campaigns since the 18th century. Göbekli Tepe has been identified in 1965 and an excavation campaign started only in 1995. Furthermore Pompeii is currently under a new excavation campaign because there are too many depredations and destruction occurring on the site. And Pompeii has many buildings reinforced with concrete only to please the tourists. https://www.britannica.com/place/Pompeii/History-of-excavations Edited Friday at 16:15 by Genava55 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted Friday at 16:30 Report Share Posted Friday at 16:30 What is the point of archaeology if most of your findings are published in an obscure journal only a hundred people will read and then it's all buried "for the future"? So, you find something unique about a wall in Pompeii (it has some kind of interesting material embedded or something), but reinforcing it "for tourists" allows this to be seen by thousands or tens of thousands. You note the peculiarities of the wall in that obscure archaeological journal, where that information would have sat on microfiche for decades anyway, and you reinforce the wall so that the space can be experienced by living breathing human beings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted Friday at 17:53 Report Share Posted Friday at 17:53 1 hour ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: What is the point of archaeology if most of your findings are published in an obscure journal only a hundred people will read and then it's all buried "for the future"? So, you find something unique about a wall in Pompeii (it has some kind of interesting material embedded or something), but reinforcing it "for tourists" allows this to be seen by thousands or tens of thousands. You note the peculiarities of the wall in that obscure archaeological journal, where that information would have sat on microfiche for decades anyway, and you reinforce the wall so that the space can be experienced by living breathing human beings. I think that applies to everything science related no? Also isn't there some money involved? Paywalls copyrights and the like. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gurken Khan Posted Friday at 18:39 Author Report Share Posted Friday at 18:39 30 minutes ago, Stan` said: I think that applies to everything science related no? Well, the opportunities for archeological sites (and maybe exhibitions) are pretty unique, some structural reinforcement here, maybe some makeup there... Apart from propping up dinosaur skeletons I can't think of any field where you can make your findings mass compatible in a comparable way. 37 minutes ago, Stan` said: Also isn't there some money involved? Paywalls copyrights and the like. Glory to our capitalist system! Apart from paywalls and copyrights and the likes sites like Pompeii and Göbekli Tepe also have entrance fees and shops... Would be much harder to cash in on the lifecycle of the fruit fly or something like that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 18 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: What is the point of archaeology if most of your findings are published in an obscure journal only a hundred people will read and then it's all buried "for the future"? What is the most important, extracting the most knowledge you can get from it or the enjoyment/fetichism of our generation to see the items and buildings exposed to the environment ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted 17 hours ago Report Share Posted 17 hours ago 18 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: So, you find something unique about a wall in Pompeii (it has some kind of interesting material embedded or something), but reinforcing it "for tourists" allows this to be seen by thousands or tens of thousands. What does it bring to the thousands of people visiting Pompeii of so valuable? Honestly this is simply mass tourism in most cases. This is like Athens, far more people are visiting the acropolis than the museum of the acropolis where they would get the most information about it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alre Posted 16 hours ago Report Share Posted 16 hours ago exposure to masses is important for political resons that finally grant funds for archaeological research. that knoedge that holds so much value for you, actually doesn't to 99% of people, but they are being asked if the extraction of that knowledge is to be funded. culture is power, but you gotta spend some of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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