DerekO Posted June 21, 2020 Report Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) Hello Everyone, The Second 1v1 Tournament was a Instant Success. Since this is a monthly series I have to open registrations early. We Will accept Registrations Via the Forum and from Challonge as well. I and my friend (Subotai_Mongol) have decided to twist it up a bit. so here are the changes Changes: There is now a group stage (groups of 4) This guarantees that you get 3 matches to play Group stage will be played in Bo1 while the Final stage will be played in bo3 There is now a banning phase Maps played are now different | before: Mainland After: Balanced Mainland - Small , Cross - Medium, and Balanced Hyrcanian Shores - Medium Finals will be played in BO5 (This will be the Template used for the tournaments) So without Further a Do Let me get into the Rules, and FAQ about the Tournament! F.A.Q. Q: When is the Tournament? A: On July 20th, or earlier Q: How do I register for the Tournament? A: Go ahead to our SIGNUPS CLOSED and Go ahead and Register, Alternatively you can Just reply on the Forums That you want to participate along side your In Game Name (IGN) and I'll Pop a message to you on the Forums. Q: Do I have to Check in for the Tournament? A: Yes, Check in Starts 2 days before the Tournament. (July 18th) Q: If I want to Leave the Tournament before it starts can I do so? A: Yes, you can! If you registered on Challonge you can simply go here - https://challonge.com/july0ad/participant_settings and Click "Unregister" Q: What is it a Best of A: The Tournament is a Best of 1 in Group stages, in Final Stages it becomes a best of 1 and in the finals it's a best of 5 Q: What Maps are being Played? A: Balanced Mainland, Corinthian Isthmus, and Death Canyon Q: What is the Map Size? A: Games will be played on the Small Map Size Q: If I want to contact me about something how should I? A: Respond to this post or email me at: derekowumi@gmail.com That Wraps up the FAQ Now the Rules and Game settings etc. Games' Setting: Population Limit: 300 Starting Resources: Low Mode: Conquest Spies: Allowed Treasure - On Explored Map: Off Revealed Map: Off Cheats: Disabled Game Speed: Normal (x1) Ceasefire: None Spectators: Allowed Tournament Rules: Recordings: Send Files to me via Email - derekowumi@gmail.com or Reply to this Post Play-style: Best of 3 1v1 Groups (4 --> 2) Single Elimination Banning Phase: Both Players can ban 1 Civilizations (Bans affects both player and it can be canceled off) Maps used - Balanced Mainland, Corinthian Isthmus, and Death Canyon Player Ethics: Do not be rude Do not pause the game before loosing Do not Pause the game without asking for permission from your enemy and the host If any of these rules are broken you may be kicked or banned from the tournament completely If you're in any way interested feel free to register with any of the ways given. Wish you the best of luck in competing! Edited July 16, 2020 by DerekO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 (edited) I like the idea, I'd join but I don't feel comfortable with the map settings, in my opinion they are unsuitable for a competitive setting. Btw, good work on the current edition! Edited June 23, 2020 by badosu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted June 23, 2020 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 It's updated, How do you think this is are there any changes you think I should make? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted June 23, 2020 Report Share Posted June 23, 2020 No, I think it's fine, thanks. I registered! For last games of Bo5 you can also pick two of: Britannic Road (s), Slopes (m) or Wrench (m) There's a new map from @Feldfeld you might want to checkout too: https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/topic/28391-random-map-alpine-mountains/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 7, 2020 Report Share Posted July 7, 2020 (edited) Some suggestions: Seeding: - Players need to register (or provide as nick) their 0ad names, so we are able to provide a better balance - The best x players (where x is the number of groups) will be randomly assigned to separate groups - The second best x players will be randomly assigned to separate groups - All other players will be randomly assigned to their groups By 'best' above I mean the perceived prowess of players in 1v1, unfortunately it's subjective. We could also use ratings as a more objective criteria but I think ratings do not measure that very well at the moment. Group Stage: I would expect some cheesiness going on like cav start/slinger rushes and since we can't have a balanced order for choosing civilizations with Bo1 we could have a bad scenario where an expected favorite player chooses one civilization that has a major flaw against the other player's subsequent choice, e.g. first player chooses Rome or Iberians, the second Macedonians. That said, I prefer the group stage to move fast than to have a perfect balanced matchup for now, it also adds to the entertainment factor. Expect some upsets though. This could also bring some insights for the next cup version. Map choices: I'd like to suggest for the Bo3s to have a map ban step where each player bans one map of the pool (the higher rated player banning first): - Balanced Mainland (s) - Wrench (m) - Balanced Hyrcanian Shores (m) - Slopes (s) - Cross (m) The first map to be played is the first unbanned map following the order above, so if Balanced Mainland is banned Wrench is played; if both are banned, Hyrcanian is played. The second map to be played is loser from first map choice. Third map to be played is first unbanned map in the pool that was not played yet. This adds some complexity, but I think it helps less experienced players on maps with a higher skill cap like Slopes or Cross. Final Stage: Maybe make the final stage double elimination? It seems we have a stronger roster, would be nice to provide an additional opportunity to win the tournament, especially if we have some upsets before the finals. The losers bracket might provide some good entertainment as well since at least 8 good players will be there. I don't mind the single civ ban, but I also don't like that a player can just repeat the same civilization on all matches. It would be nice to stipulate that a player can choose 3 different civs before the 1st match start and only pick from that pool. Higher rated picks first on the first match, loser picks first on the second match, third match are remaining civs. Edited July 7, 2020 by badosu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 11, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 11, 2020 (edited) On 7/7/2020 at 8:32 AM, badosu said: - Players need to register (or provide as nick) their 0ad names, so we are able to provide a better balance - The best x players (where x is the number of groups) will be randomly assigned to separate groups - The second best x players will be randomly assigned to separate groups - All other players will be randomly assigned to their groups Seeding rules are well done. but do you think they will dominate their groups? On 7/7/2020 at 8:32 AM, badosu said: By 'best' above I mean the perceived prowess of players in 1v1, unfortunately it's subjective. We could also use ratings as a more objective criteria but I think ratings do not measure that very well at the moment. Agreed, Rating as a bit experimental. I feel that rating should compare both players rating. also implementing a random game playing system will be awesome. So noobs auto pair with noobs, this would also mean we can remove rating from the custom matchmaking room entirely. On 7/7/2020 at 8:32 AM, badosu said: That said, I prefer the group stage to move fast than to have a perfect balanced matchup for now, it also adds to the entertainment factor. Expect some upsets though. This could also bring some insights for the next cup version. We can talk more overthat in email.but good idea On 7/7/2020 at 8:32 AM, badosu said: Map choices: I'd like to suggest for the Bo3s to have a map ban step where each player bans one map of the pool (the higher rated player banning first): - Balanced Mainland (s) - Wrench (m) - Balanced Hyrcanian Shores (m) - Slopes (s) - Cross (m) With that said the tournament finals is a bo5. so that would mean there is no banning maps in the last games On 7/7/2020 at 8:32 AM, badosu said: Maybe make the final stage double elimination? It seems we have a stronger roster, would be nice to provide an additional opportunity to win the tournament, especially if we have some upsets before the finals. The losers bracket might provide some good entertainment as well since at least 8 good players will be there. Would you like me to split the double elimination bracket in two or not see this for reference. I have made it double elim. On 7/7/2020 at 8:32 AM, badosu said: I don't mind the single civ ban, but I also don't like that a player can just repeat the same civilization on all matches. It would be nice to stipulate that a player can choose 3 different civs before the 1st match start and only pick from that pool. Higher rated picks first on the first match, loser picks first on the second match, third match are remaining civs. I don't really understand you can you please rephrase that? <iframe src="https://challonge.com/july0ad/module" width="100%" height="500" frameborder="0" scrolling="auto" allowtransparency="true"></iframe> Code for bracket Edited July 11, 2020 by DerekO Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 @ValihrAnt @borg_ Since @Feldfeld has registered would you care to join so we can have some challenge on the finals? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 On 7/11/2020 at 3:39 PM, DerekO said: Seeding rules are well done. but do you think they will dominate their groups? Most probable, the idea is that we have most balanced matchups towards the final stage. So we avoid of a death group kicking out 2 good players and/or having the most exciting matchups happen at the first brackets and taking out the excitement from the final stages. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 > Would you like me to split the double elimination bracket in two or not see this for reference. I have made it double elim. I think the simplest 2x elimination model, like from the last tournament is fine. As an addendum, to not punish the winners finalist we should give him 1 game ahead of time for the last match. Otherwise we are really just punishing the finalist forcing him to take on the strongest players, while others can branch out to the losers bracket and sneak into the finals. So, in this case the winners bracket finalist starts the match with a 1-0 lead (as is done often in other big tournaments). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 3 minutes ago, badosu said: to not punish the winners finalist we should give him 1 game ahead of time for the last match. Otherwise we are really just punishing the finalist forcing him to take on the strongest players, while others can branch out to the losers bracket and sneak into the finals. So, in this case the winners bracket finalist starts the match with a 1-0 lead (as is done often in other big tournaments). I don't really understand this could you please rephrase? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) On 7/11/2020 at 3:39 PM, DerekO said: With that said the tournament finals is a bo5. so that would mean there is no banning maps in the last games Yes, but picking the order is still relevant, especially if it favors a player to win more games first and bypassing the last maps. On 7/11/2020 at 3:39 PM, DerekO said: I don't really understand you can you please rephrase that? For the Bo3s, players ban and pick civs for a pool. E.g.: P1 (Higher rated) and P2 -------------------------- P1: Bans ptol / P2: Bans brit -------------------------- So P1 picks ptol/gaul/sparta in civ pool and P2 picks brit/gaul/rome. 1st game: P1 (higher rated) picks ptol, P2 picks rome 2nd game: P2 (winner) picks brit / P1 picks gaul 3rd game: Remaining civs, P1 sparta / P2 gaul For the 2nd game I think winner picking first is better as the loser can pick a counter civilization. Edited July 15, 2020 by badosu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 (edited) . Edited July 15, 2020 by badosu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 12 minutes ago, DerekO said: I don't really understand this could you please rephrase? I am not sure how to rephrase. What I mean is, the player who gets to the winners final has to play against the best player from that bracket, then has to play against the best players in the grand finals from the losers bracket (which includes the other finalist from winners bracket). If the winners grand finalist does not have an advantage, like for example starting 1-0 in the last match he's being punished for being good. He could for example throw a game before and just win games in the losers bracket to get to the finals. Some big tournaments with 2x elimination do this, or they have some other mechanic to account for, having a mini match called "reset stage", a bo3 for example, that if the losers finalist wins he just proceeds to the actual grand finals match, otherwise he loses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 10 minutes ago, badosu said: I am not sure how to rephrase. What I mean is, the player who gets to the winners final has to play against the best player from that bracket, then has to play against the best players in the grand finals from the losers bracket (which includes the other finalist from winners bracket). If the winners grand finalist does not have an advantage, like for example starting 1-0 in the last match he's being punished for being good. He could for example throw a game before and just win games in the losers bracket to get to the finals. Some big tournaments with 2x elimination do this, or they have some other mechanic to account for, having a mini match called "reset stage", a bo3 for example, that if the losers finalist wins he just proceeds to the actual grand finals match, otherwise he loses. I can make it so that the loosers finalist must beat the winners finalist in two matches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 20 minutes ago, badosu said: Yes, but picking the order is still relevant, especially if it favors a player to win more games first and bypassing the last maps. WIll make sure to put this out into the email I am sending tommorow morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 15, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 24 minutes ago, badosu said: For the Bo3s, players ban and pick civs for a pool. E.g.: P1 (Higher rated) and P2 -------------------------- P1: Bans ptol / P2: Bans brit -------------------------- So P1 picks ptol/gaul/sparta in civ pool and P2 picks brit/gaul/rome. 1st game: P1 (higher rated) picks ptol, P2 picks rome 2nd game: P2 (winner) picks brit / P1 picks gaul 3rd game: Remaining civs, P1 sparta / P2 gaul For the 2nd game I think winner picking first is better as the loser can pick a counter civilization. Great, but can players pick the same civilization three times in a row? like mauryans/mauryans/mauryans ? or not Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 No repeating civs. 1 hour ago, DerekO said: I can make it so that the loosers finalist must beat the winners finalist in two matches No need, it's still a Bo5 but winners start with a 1-0 lead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 15, 2020 Report Share Posted July 15, 2020 1 hour ago, DerekO said: WIll make sure to put this out into the email I am sending tommorow morning Well, if you gonna send email tomorrow morning, does this mean sign up is closed? If so I can prepare video with group seeding for u to send on email. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 hours ago, badosu said: No need, it's still a Bo5 but winners start with a 1-0 lead. Okay Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 2 hours ago, badosu said: Well, if you gonna send email tomorrow morning, does this mean sign up is closed? If so I can prepare video with group seeding for u to send on email. Yeah send it to me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
borg- Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 Interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) @DerekO Can we postpone it until tomorrow afternoon? Let's see if @borg- or @ValihrAnt join first. Otherwise it will be just a dispute for second place lel Edited July 16, 2020 by badosu Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 Sure no problem I will start crafting the email draft then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
badosu Posted July 16, 2020 Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 (edited) @DerekO We might want to make a video about the rules for the group stage. As far as I understand: - Each player bans a civ that's applicable to both players, maybe higher rated bans first? - Map is balanced mainland small, 300 pop and it's a best of 1 - Maybe we allow players to request rematch if biome is savanna or tropical? Request must be done 30s in the match. If both players consent they can fix biome - Maybe we should make a deadline for game to occur until next Sunday at 19:00 CET, if one player is absent on lobby at that time it's a forfeit, if both players are absent and they don't fulfill match until end of day, it's a tie (or both gain no points if possible to implement) - Matches occur twice per week, between Friday 19:00 CET until next Sunday 19:00 CET. A player might fulfill up to 4 matches on the overlapping weekends to make scheduling easier, but can't advance more than the current week. For example, week 1 started previous friday and a player didn't fulfill it yet, they may fulfill week 1 and week 2 matches on the next weekend. They can't fulfill all 3 matches on the first week. Email and PMs will make it clear which players you must play on your current week and what's the deadline to make things easier. Edited July 16, 2020 by badosu 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DerekO Posted July 16, 2020 Author Report Share Posted July 16, 2020 Yeah, I would heavily be great full if you make a video on the rules. I don’t think people want to read multiple paragraphs of documentation for a fun tournament Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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