Lion.Kanzen Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 1 - need a fix. 2- 9- 11 I need see it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 18/04/2020 at 6:26 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Good start. Not quite there yet. Expand @Obskiuras lol. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 Use the gaul shields instead Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Obskiuras Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 18/04/2020 at 7:14 AM, Lion.Kanzen said: @Obskiuras lol. Expand They look a bit seedy, we will have to improve them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 18/04/2020 at 1:34 PM, Obskiuras said: They look a bit seedy, we will have to improve them Expand yes, my first time dealing with this new models by Alexander Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 18, 2020 Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 18/04/2020 at 1:34 PM, Obskiuras said: They look a bit seedy, we will have to improve them Expand this are very decent. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted April 18, 2020 Author Report Share Posted April 18, 2020 On 18/04/2020 at 9:12 AM, Stan` said: Use the gaul shields instead Expand Yeah, that's what I was doing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 20, 2020 Report Share Posted April 20, 2020 @Genava55 please You have references if more art painted in the shields? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) On 20/04/2020 at 11:11 PM, Lion.Kanzen said: @Genava55 please You have references if more art painted in the shields? Expand Sadly no. Nothing more than the usual simple patterns we already posted in the other thread and sent by private message. There is little known about the Early Germans, especially on their artistic preferences. Some other reenactment stuff: Edited April 21, 2020 by Genava55 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Very valuable. Coinage or pottery ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) --sorry I upload wrong format of file --- Edited April 21, 2020 by Lion.Kanzen Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Genava55 Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 On 21/04/2020 at 4:19 AM, Lion.Kanzen said: Coinage Expand Only Roman or Celtic coins, they didn't mint anything themselves at this time. On 21/04/2020 at 4:19 AM, Lion.Kanzen said: pottery Expand See those: On 12/09/2019 at 10:25 AM, Genava55 said: Early Jastorf potteries (very early iron age, before 400BC): Expand 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 Aristocrat burial in Musov https://www2.rgzm.de/Transformation/Czech/Musov/29012007.htm https://www.outfit4events.com/eur/product/9999-german-spear-from-the-king-s-grave-of-musov/ 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 21, 2020 Report Share Posted April 21, 2020 (edited) Second wave of designs. _________________________________________________________________ this only must work with hexagonal shield. Reveal hidden contents here an Alternate if I miss with the first. Edited April 22, 2020 by Lion.Kanzen 4 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 (edited) I finish the second wave. time to rest. mostly can be used in other shield shapes I guess. Suebian Shields wave 2.rarFetching info... Edited April 22, 2020 by Lion.Kanzen 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted April 22, 2020 Report Share Posted April 22, 2020 This will be our banner. (rally point banner) 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Aurelian Posted May 1, 2020 Report Share Posted May 1, 2020 (edited) On 18/04/2020 at 12:14 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said: Yeah, these should be champion and hero shields. The citizen soldier shields can be less colorful versions of these with no boss or wooden boss. Expand Since they did not use much armor, clothing and shields will be the best way to distinguish rank. Here is my suggestion for citizen spearman shields: Basic: Rectangular or oval shield, wooden boss Advanced:Rectangular oval or hexagonal, wooden boss Elite: Rectangular, oval or hexagonal shield; wooden boss, but some might have a reinforced spina or simple boss Patterns differ too, basic units could have very simple ones (Painted in a single solid color or unpainted except for designs): Edited May 1, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Aurelian Posted May 3, 2020 Report Share Posted May 3, 2020 (edited) On 25/08/2019 at 7:49 AM, Genava55 said: Arminius (*Herminaz?) could have Roman equipment from his past (Arminius is actually Cherusci but I think everybody wants him to be a playable hero, the other possibility is Maroboduus which is more accurate and more interesting). Ariovistus (*Harjafristaz? or a Celtic, Ariouistos?) could have Gallic equipment. Ballomar could wear a 100% Germanic outfit and carrying only Germanic weapons. Edit: Maroboduus could increase the experience gained by his troops as a reflection of the regular training he ordered. Ariovistus could give a territory extension bonus or a capture bonus as a reflection of his conquest in Gaul and his skills in politics. Ballomar could give a bonus in looting. Expand Posting some possible references for Suebian Heroes (Based on your Gaul hero post). Ariovistus: Reveal hidden contents Port helmet (Horned?) Chainmail and hexagonal shield: Celtic Long sword: Maroboodus (Marobodwos ?): Reveal hidden contents Shield and Griffin helmet based on Portonaccio Sarcophagus: Spatha Kemnitz Muscle Cuirass: Or scale armor: : Ballomar (Reconstructed as celtic Ballomaros, possibly germanic Baldomarijaz ?) Reveal hidden contents Simple helmet with fur covering or horns: Rectangular shield (As above) Leather Armor: Vimose Mail Shirt: Fur cape: Heavy thrusting spear: Arminius could be a fourth option (Mercenary hero?) Reveal hidden contents Masked helmet from Kalkriese: Similar helmet from Batavian burial modified with a straw wig Lorica Hamata, armed with Roman sword or cavalry Spear : Roman Oval Equestrian or Auxilia shield: Edited March 24, 2021 by Ultimate Aurelian 2 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 Celtic-like / Roman-like cavalry along the Rhine 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Aurelian Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) On 04/05/2020 at 1:20 PM, Genava55 said: Celtic-like / Roman-like cavalry along the Rhine Expand Batavian regional mercenary unit, the heaviest cavalry avaliable to Germans (Cimbri have heaviest infantry). Or maybe the mounted slinger you mentioned; which i guess is based on this account by Hadrian: Quote ‘It is difficult for the cavalry of a (mixed) cohort to put on a pleasing display anyway, and especially difficult not to displease after an exercise performed by an ala\ the latter fills a greater expanse of plain, has more riders to throw javelins, makes frequent wheels to the right and performs the Cantabrian ride in close formation, and, in keeping with their higher pay, has superior horses and finer equipment. However, you have overcome these disadvantages by doing everything you have done energetically, in spite of the hot temperature; Added to this, you have shot stones from slings and fought with javelins and everywhere mounted quickly. The special care taken by my legate Catullinus is very obvious...’ Expand Although it says they mounted quickly, so it's possible they were mounted infantry who fired slings on foot. Edited May 4, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 04/05/2020 at 2:22 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said: Although it says they mounted quickly, so it's possible they were mounted infantry who fired slings on foot. Expand It could be mounted infantry indeed. Hard to know exactly. On 04/05/2020 at 2:22 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said: Or maybe the mounted slinger you mentioned; which i guess is based on this account by Hadrian: Expand There is another account as well Book 1, Ch. 46: "While these things are being transacted in the conference it was announced to Caesar that the cavalry of Ariovistus were approaching nearer the mound, and were riding up to our men, and casting stones and weapons at them." On 04/05/2020 at 2:22 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said: Batavian regional mercenary unit, the heaviest cavalry avaliable to Germans (Cimbri have heaviest infantry). Expand Clearly regional units should be an important asset. Itself, the Suebian tribe doesn't seem to have such an amazing and diversified roster but by including other neighboring tribes it becomes more solid and balanced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Aurelian Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) On 04/05/2020 at 3:08 PM, Genava55 said: Clearly regional units should be an important asset. Itself, the Suebian tribe doesn't seem to have such an amazing and diversified roster but by including other neighboring tribes it becomes more solid and balanced. Expand Choosing regions is a good way portray the diversity of germanics, without having to implement multiple factions (Cimbrians or Rhine tribes might be doable in the future, but a Lugii or Aestii faction would be very difficult to find material on). Edited May 4, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Genava55 Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 On 04/05/2020 at 3:39 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said: Choosing regions is a good way portray the diversity of germanics, without having to implement multiple factions (Cimbrians or Rhine tribes might be doable in the future, but a Lugii or Aestii faction would be very difficult to find material on). Expand The Aestii yes clearly. The Lugii not necessarily, this is the Przeworsk culture, the same as the later Vandals. The only trouble would be to find heroes, the only known names are from the Vandals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ultimate Aurelian Posted May 4, 2020 Report Share Posted May 4, 2020 (edited) On 04/05/2020 at 3:57 PM, Genava55 said: The Aestii yes clearly. The Lugii not necessarily, this is the Przeworsk culture, the same as the later Vandals. The only trouble would be to find heroes, the only known names are from the Vandals. Expand I'd say Lugii and Suebians would be more similar to each other than Britons and Gauls (Same buildings, similar roster except for night warrior and celtic swordsman champion). Also here is my draft for Suebi regional units (I choose to portray Batavians as mailed spear cav): Reveal hidden contents NORTHERN UNITS Generic Name: Suiones Archer Specific Name:Sweoniz Skeutan Class: Archer Ranged Armament:Bow Appearance: Garb: Basic: Shirtless may have cape Helmet: Basic: Bareheaded. Shield: Basic: none History: Garrison: 1. Function: - Special: - Generic Name: Cimbrian Retainer Specific Name:Kimbraz Herthaganautaz Class: Champion Infantry Unit. Hacker Armament: Sword Garb: Cape, padded armor or mail (Phalerae?) Helmet: Simple germanic helmet, wooden helmet or celtic helmet (Coolus, Port) with crest Shield: Large shield with metal boss may have metal rim, oval, hexagonal History: Garrison: 1. Function: Special: RHINE UNITS Generic Name: Chatti Veteran Specific Name:Hatjahalitaz Class: Spear Infantry Hacker Armament: Spear, decorative sword Garb: Expensive tunic with cape, may be padded Helmet: Looted roman helmet, simple germanic helmet, or celtic helmet (coolus, and port) Shield: Large shield with metal boss may have metal rim, hexagonal or rectangular History: Garrison: 1. Function: Special: NORTH SEA UNITS Generic Name: Cheruscian Pikeman Specific Name: Heruzkaz Speutan Class: Pikeman Hacker Armament:Pike Appearance: Garb: Basic: Tunic, may have cape Helmet: Basic: Shield: Basic: Larged wooden shield, round or rectangular, may have metal boss or reinforced spina History: Garrison: 1. Function: - Special: - Generic Name:Batavian lancer Specific Name:Batawjas Ridanz Class: Cavalry spearman Hacker Armament:Spear Garb: Basic:Padded armor or chainmail, cape Helmet: Basic: Looted roman, germanic, celtic (Port, coolus, foret) Shield: Elite: Oval or hexagonal shield, metal boss may have metal rim History: Garrison: 1. Function: Special: POMERANIAN UNITS Generic Name:Haari night warrior Specific Name:Nahtsharjaz Class: Speaman Hacker Armament: Framea Garb: Basic: Shirtless, cape Helmet: Basic: None Shield: Basic: Oval, or rectangular, painted black; may have reinforced spina or metal boss History: Garrison: 1. Function: Special: May frighten enemy units Generic Name:Lugian mercenary Swordsman Specific Name:Lugiz Herunautaz/Aswinas/Toutaginos Class: Swordsman Hacker Armament: LaTene Sword Garb: Basic:Tunic and cape may be padded Helmet: Basic: Cap, simple germanic helmet, eastern style port helmet (Mihovo, simiechow) Shield: Basic: Rectangular, Oval or hexagonal shield, reinforced spina or metal boss History: Garrison: 1. Function: Special: BALTIC UNITS Generic Name:Rugian warrior Specific Name:Korodrougo Class: Swordsman Hacker Armament: Short sword Garb: Basic: Shirtless with cape Helmet: Basic: Pointy cap Shield: Basic: Simple wooden shield, round History: Garrison: 1. Function: Special: Generic Name:Aestii axewoman Specific Name: Class: Axe Infantry Hacker Armament: Axe Appearance: Garb: Basic: Dress Helmet: Basic:none Shield: Basic:Simple round or square shield History: Garrison: 1. Function: Special: Either the unit is all female and boost nearby units, or it is a more normal axe unit with both male and females I did not include the Rhine horse-stabber (Marhajagonaz ?) since you already plan it for the celts; maybe Gauls get mounted horse-stabbers and Germans have a infantry one ? BTW the Cimbri are described with shining iron breastplates (Maybe just the way the author described mail, some r2tw mods have then with Iberian esque plates but might be innacurate). Quote As for the Cimbri, their foot-soldiers advanced slowly from their defences, with a depth equal to their front, for each side of their formation had an extent of thirty furlongs; and their horsemen, fifteen thousand strong, rode out in splendid style, with helmets made to resemble the maws of frightful wild beasts or the heads of strange animals, which, with their towering crests of feathers, made their wearers appear taller than they really were; they were also equipped with breastplates of iron, and carried gleaming white shields. For hurling, each man had two lances; and at close quarters they used large, heavy swords. Expand The ''beast helmets'' could be either Celtic helmets with animal crests, or maybe fur wrapped helmets like the Geldubba find. Edited May 10, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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