Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)

[Genava55]

  On 09/04/2020 at 10:50 PM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

So Early Germans were the quintessential "barbarians" as we currently visualize the term. "Conan the Barbarian" esque.

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This is maybe a bit excessive view and this painting is a 1840s representation of Arminius.

Early Germans could have an interesting roster but they also have this issue of very few attested protective equipment. At this time the Germans were economically poor, producing very little things from themselves. There is a bit more warriors burials in the East with the Przeworsk culture and a bit more foreign weapons along the Rhine.

The Germans seem to offset their lack of equipment with their passion for war, their guerrilla tactics and their skill. Although it was not that much effective against the Roman war machine, this was enough to discourage them from conquering their economically uninteresting and difficult to control territories without urban power centers. Too big cost for little gain.

[Lion.Kanzen]

I will back to work to you I have more time free for these days.

You still need the Hexagonal shields art?

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

  On 15/04/2020 at 12:09 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

You still need the Hexagonal shields art?

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Yes, and references. 

 

Edited April 15, 2020 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[Obskiuras]

Concept art of Suebian fortress, it´s just a pencil sketch of a model for the fortress. It´s not definitive.

[Genava55]

  On 13/10/2019 at 2:22 AM, Obskiuras said:

I plan use this reference for the fortress:

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  On 17/10/2019 at 7:15 PM, Obskiuras said:

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  On 20/04/2020 at 7:03 PM, Obskiuras said:

Concept art of Suebian fortress, it´s just a pencil sketch of a model for the fortress. It´s not definitive.

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Interesting ideas

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

This one could be Suebian:

  3 hours ago, Genava55 said:

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While this one could be for the Goths:

  On 20/04/2020 at 7:03 PM, Obskiuras said:

Concept art of Suebian fortress, it´s just a pencil sketch of a model for the fortress. It´s not definitive.

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I like how it's asymmetrical.  

[Obskiuras]

Hello there, i need a count of the remaining buildings to desing for the Suebi. @wowgetoffyourcellphoneI would like to finish as soon as pissible and start to desingning the buildings of the Goths.

[Lion.Kanzen]

[Genava55]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Opfermoor_Vogtei

https://www.weltbild.de/artikel/kalender/opfermoor-vogtei-am-mittelpunkt-deutschlands-wandkalender_24502306-1

https://www.biologie-seite.de/Biologie/Anthropomorphe_Pfahlgötter

[Obskiuras]

@Lion.Kanzen Buen cuadro conceptual, en tu opinión que edificios de los Suevos faltarían hacer? yo tengo anotado en mi libreta que me falta el edificio especial de la tercera fase "Great Hall", la fortaleza y la maravilla. El taller de maquinas de asedio no se si hacerlo o no ya que los germanos tempranos no hacían maquinas de asedio muy a menudo, solo arietes y de de vez en cuando. Para el templo aun necesito mas referencias, los germanos hacían sus sacrificios al aire libre y el los bosques, así que si diseño un templo tendría que ser parecido al de los galos y bretones.

  On 28/04/2020 at 11:30 PM, Lion.Kanzen said:

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[Obskiuras]

Right now i´m making a fortress based in the hellenic fortress. I will upload it tomorrow at the latest.

[Ultimate Aurelian]

  On 29/04/2020 at 12:59 AM, Obskiuras said:

@Lion.Kanzen Buen cuadro conceptual, en tu opinión que edificios de los Suevos faltarían hacer? yo tengo anotado en mi libreta que me falta el edificio especial de la tercera fase "Great Hall", la fortaleza y la maravilla. El taller de maquinas de asedio no se si hacerlo o no ya que los germanos tempranos no hacían maquinas de asedio muy a menudo, solo arietes y de de vez en cuando. Para el templo aun necesito mas referencias, los germanos hacían sus sacrificios al aire libre y el los bosques, así que si diseño un templo tendría que ser parecido al de los galos y bretones.

 

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For the wonder there is not much material to use. You could use a early iron age burial mound with maybe a small stone circle surrounding it, though it is a bit outdated. Specific name could be Kuningasgrabaz (Royal Grave, i searched early germanic words on wiktionary.)

Para la maravilla, no hay muchas referencias para usar.  Podría usar un túmulo de la edad de hierro quizas un pequenõ circulo de piedras rodeándolo.

 

Edited April 29, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 29/04/2020 at 12:59 AM, Obskiuras said:

@Lion.Kanzen Buen cuadro conceptual, en tu opinión que edificios de los Suevos faltarían hacer? yo tengo anotado en mi libreta que me falta el edificio especial de la tercera fase "Great Hall", la fortaleza y la maravilla. El taller de maquinas de asedio no se si hacerlo o no ya que los germanos tempranos no hacían maquinas de asedio muy a menudo, solo arietes y de de vez en cuando. Para el templo aun necesito mas referencias, los germanos hacían sus sacrificios al aire libre y el los bosques, así que si diseño un templo tendría que ser parecido al de los galos y bretones.

 

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quedaría muy desbalanceado sin Arietes. aparte que ya están en el juego de WOwgetyour....

[Ultimate Aurelian]

Maybe it could be like the Xiongnu or Scythians,  four warriors holding a log; trained from fortress.

 

Tal vez podría ser como los Xiongnu o los escitas, cuatro guerreros sosteniendo un tronco; entrenado desde la fortaleza.

Edited April 29, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Obskiuras]

  On 29/04/2020 at 11:30 AM, Lion.Kanzen said:

quedaría muy desbalanceado sin Arietes. aparte que ya están en el juego de WOwgetyour ....

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Me quedo con lo que vos decís, haré un conceptual art del taller de maquinas de asedio.

[Obskiuras]

New conceptual art: fortress

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 29/04/2020 at 2:28 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

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Tal vez podría ser como los Xiongnu o los escitas, cuatro guerreros sosteniendo un tronco; entrenado desde la fortaleza.

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De hecho así es como está.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

  On 29/04/2020 at 3:07 PM, Obskiuras said:

New conceptual art: fortress

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Lovely. I'd use it for the Goths. The rounder one on the previous page for the Suebians. In fact, I'll update the first post to add your concepts.  

[Ultimate Aurelian]

It's a fitting look for the goths, it reminds me of roman frontier forts or a early medieval motte and bailley.  Really shows how advanced they are in relation to the Suebians.

Edited April 29, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 29/04/2020 at 5:36 PM, Ultimate Aurelian said:

It's a fitting look for the goths, it reminds me of roman frontier forts or a early medieval motte and bailley.  Really shows how advanced they are in relation to the Suebians.

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that was the kind of references I showed to  him with some references.

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Updated first post

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

Here's what the current buildings look. They are taken from Millennium AD, and the Gauls.

Cult Statue taken from the Gauls on the left. Top left is the Civic Center and then there's the Temple next to that. The Gallic dock is next at the top.

Then bottom left you have the 3 houses. IMHO, there should be at least 4 house model variants for good variation. Then on the right there is the (too large) storehouse and the Farmstead Corral.

 

Here you see the Gallic siege workshop in the upper left. The two smaller buildings next to it is the blacksmith. On the upper right is the barracks. Below the barracks is the Stable, taken from the Xiongnu. In the middle is the market, adapted from a super old version of the Celtic market.

Edited April 29, 2020 by wowgetoffyourcellphone

[Ultimate Aurelian]

Been researching their ships,  according to Tacitus boats like the Hjorstpring one were still in use by the Suiones centuries after that find.
 

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the form of their vessels differs from ours in having a prow at each end, so that they are always ready to advance. They make no use of sails, nor have regular benches of oars at the sides: they row, as is practised in some rivers, without order, sometimes on one side, sometimes on the other, as occasion requires

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They will probably be a very weak civ navally,  first find of a larger boat is the one bellow from the 4th century  (Based on what i read in previous posts, it seems the civ's timeframe ends after the Marcomannic wars in the late 2nd century).

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There are a couple accounts of north sea tribes raiding in rivers or by sea but the accounts just mention boats without much specifics.

Some possible names Fiskarijaz Baitaz (Fishing ship)  Kauponabaitaz (Trade ship),  Skipa (Light war ship).

The first post says that units will have tribal names, possible tribes for a warship would be Suardones, Angles and Chauci (Last two are not exactly Suebian but sometimes joined them in wars).

Edited May 1, 2020 by Ultimate Aurelian

[Stan`]

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[Lion.Kanzen]

  On 01/05/2020 at 4:27 PM, Stan` said:

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I t can be better wait to Alexander make a banner that look odd.