Question about the Chin Crossbow

[Alexandermb]

The crossbow is a simple  crossbow or the Chu ko un? i'm going to animate both weapon/unit.

 

[Lion.Kanzen]

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Archaeological evidence of the earliest repeating crossbow from Tomb 47 at Qinjiazui, Hubei Province has been dated to the 4th century BC, during the Spring and Autumn period.^[2] However, its invention is commonly attributed to Zhuge Liang (181–234 AD), a famous military strategist of the Three Kingdoms period; Zhuge Liang improved the design of the repeating crossbow, and made a version which shot two to three bolts at once and was used in massed formations. For this reason, it was named after him.^{[citation needed]} Other repeating crossbows fired as many as 10 bolts before exhausting the magazine.^[3]

The repeating crossbow was introduced into Korea by King Sejong (1418–1450), who during a trip to China saw the weapon and was impressed by its operation. In Korean it was called sunogung (Hangul: 수노궁; Hanja: 手弩弓).

 

[Alexandermb]

[Alexandermb]

[Alexandermb]

There's another animation maybe for formations use or attack variant

also, animations and files are committed via github desktop @stanislas69

Edited December 2, 2017 by Alexandermb

[Stan`]

Thanks a lot ! Finally they have a decent anim !

[wowgetoffyourcellphone]

20 hours ago, Alexandermb said:

There's another animation maybe for formations use or attack variant

also, animations and files are committed via github desktop @stanislas69

 

Remember ballistics and trajectory. He should aim a little higher.

[Stan`]

Crossbow are fairly straight when it comes to projectile unless your shooting really far.

[wolflance]

It's a nickpick, but the crossbow mechanism appears to be mounted backward.

A better reference of the Han crossbow (model) can be found here.

http://www.atarn.org/letters/letter_summaries.htm#han_xbw

You can also check out this guy's pose when shooting the crossbow -  there's a rangefinding sight mounted on the Han crossbow, so he is attempt to adjust the range when shooting.

 

The classical "cranked" Chu Ko Nu was a Ming invention. The early Chinese repeating crossbow did not look or operate like that. The video below demonstrate the early-type repeating crossbow. It's also 20 shot as compared to the standard 10.

 

Edited April 28, 2018 by wolflance

[Stan`]

Hey @wolflance nice to see you back ! We will definitely try to fix some of those nitpicks before the next Terra Magna release. In case you haven't followed rise of the east is now part of a bigger mod which also includes the Xiongnu faction and the Zapotecs.

[wolflance]

@stanislas69

Due to real life I can't join forum discussion as often as I used to be,  but I still occasionally come here to check for update. Yes I know about the combination into Terra Magna, in fact I started the Xiongnu thread.

Edited May 1, 2018 by wolflance

[Lion.Kanzen]

36 minutes ago, wolflance said:

@stanislas69

Due to real life I can't join forum discussion as often as I used to be,  but I still occasionally come here to check for update. Yes I know about the combination into Terra Magna, in fact I started the Xiongnu thread.

Yes Xiongnu are in the mod first nomad, they can pack their buildings. only need defenses(fort wagon) and unique techs... and a Priest.

Some ideas , and other buildings.

Edited May 1, 2018 by Lion.Kanzen

[Sundiata]

3 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

defenses(fort wagon)

Xiongnu actually built some (permanent) fortifications, but I'm having having difficulty locating pictures or reconstructions of the ruins. If those fortifications used similar construction techniques as the Xiongnu capital city of Tongwancheng or other "cities" like Khermen Tal, they would have been built from rammed earth and wood. Ironically, I think the Han Chinese rammed earth fortifications of Northern China are the closest approximation for Xiongnu fortifications I can think of. I suspect (pretty sure) they heavily influenced each other, and the radical difference in Han Chinese architecture on the steppe and Han Chinese architecture further south, indicates that steppe architecture indeed influenced Han-Chinese on the steppe. 

In short, Xiongnu should have access to unmovable rammed earth walls and fortress.

Remains of Xiongnu fortification/palace at Tongwancheng:

 

Han Chinese rammed earth watchtower in Dunhuang, built against the Xiongnu

 

Something on excavations in Khermen Tal:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088258.shtml 

Edited May 1, 2018 by Sundiata

[Lion.Kanzen]

10 hours ago, Sundiata said:

Xiongnu actually built some (permanent) fortifications, but I'm having having difficulty locating pictures or reconstructions of the ruins. If those fortifications used similar construction techniques as the Xiongnu capital city of Tongwancheng or other "cities" like Khermen Tal, they would have been built from rammed earth and wood. Ironically, I think the Han Chinese rammed earth fortifications of Northern China are the closest approximation for Xiongnu fortifications I can think of. I suspect (pretty sure) they heavily influenced each other, and the radical difference in Han Chinese architecture on the steppe and Han Chinese architecture further south, indicates that steppe architecture indeed influenced Han-Chinese on the steppe. 

In short, Xiongnu should have access to unmovable rammed earth walls and fortress.

Remains of Xiongnu fortification/palace at Tongwancheng:

 

Han Chinese rammed earth watchtower in Dunhuang, built against the Xiongnu

 

Something on excavations in Khermen Tal:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088258.shtml 

Can be used both in early and  late game. phase 1 use wagon defenses , phase 3 use fortification.

[AIEND]

On 01/05/2018 at 5:39 PM, Sundiata said:

匈奴实际上建造了一些（永久）防御工事，但我很难找到废墟的图片或重建。 如果这些防御工事采用与匈奴都城通湾城或其他“城市”类似的建造技术，例如Khermen Tal，它们将是用夯土和木材建造的。 具有讽刺意味的是，我认为中国北方的汉人夯土防御工事是我能想到的最接近匈奴防御工事的。 我怀疑（非常肯定）它们相互影响很大，草原上的汉族建筑与更南边的汉族建筑的根本差异表明草原建筑确实影响了草原上的汉族。 

简而言之，匈奴应该可以使用不可移动的夯土墙和堡垒。

通万城匈奴城墙/宫殿遗址：

 

Han Chinese rammed earth watchtower in Dunhuang, built against the Xiongnu

 

在 Khermen Tal 的发掘工作：

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088258.shtml  

统万城Tongwancheng was built during the Sixteen Kingdoms period, when the Han Dynasty had already perished.
The predecessor of the 夏Xia Kingdom was the Xiongnu tribe, which was a vassal of the 晋Jin Dynasty, and also controlled a part of the Chinese population, so it could use Chinese technology to build the city wall.