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Genava55
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1 hour ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:
However some sources say they may have been used as early as 300 bc.
The earliest accounts are Ammianus Marcellinus (4th century AD) and Vegetius (end of 4th c. and beginning of the 5th c.).
According to E. W. Marsden: "To sum up the situation in the first three imperial centuries, the Roman army reached very high standards in artillery equipment and organization. In particular, after the introduction of the arrow-shooting ballista in its various forms at the beginning of the second century, and while the stone-throwing ballista remained in service, every Roman legion possessed substantial batteries o f the most powerful artillery produced in the ancient world. There is very little direct evidence for the third century. But the introduction of the onager into general service, which may have occurred in the second century, and of the non-torsion arcuballista, both machines being of relatively simple construction, suggests a shortage of good artificers."
The hypothesis is that Vegetius is using a lost text of Publius Tarrutienus (2nd century AD). There is also in a fragmentary text by Apollodorus of Damascus a mention of a one-armed machine and a variant of it incorporated to a battering ram. Furthermore, Apollodorus of Damascus was an engineer close to Trajan.
Previously, Philo of Byzantium, who lived most of his life in Egypt, under the Ptolemies around 220 BC, mentioned one-armed devices in the list of machines that could be used by the defenders against besieging platforms. No description survived.
1 hour ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:Would it be reasonable for the romans to access Onagers after researching a military reform tech?
I would say there is no evidence for its usage during the Roman republic and if we decide that Philo of Byzantium indeed mentioned onagers, then the Greeks were the first to use them.
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27 minutes ago, alre said:
but they all look pretty much the same
They are the same. It is always the same faces.
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On 14/08/2023 at 1:42 AM, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Above: Vercingetorix
Vercingetorix died before reaching his 40s.
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On 24/10/2018 at 11:17 AM, Sundiata said:
I would really love me some Etruscans in 0AD... It's true that they peaked just before 500BC, but they lasted as an important power into the 3rd century BC, the last Etruscan cities being annexed by Rome around 100 BC. They were full on Iron Age, not Bronze Age, and belong in Vanilla, in my opinion.
The Chimera of Arezzo, one of the finest artefacts of the ancient world, Etruscan bronze (c. 400 BC):
I've been collecting some visual refs for the Etruscans for a while, so I thought I'd also share what I have so far (mainly architecture and some frescoes):
The Etruscan city of Vulci:
Etruscan city of Marzabotto
Etruscan gate to the city of Volterra, still standing today!
Acropolis of Vetulonia
Poggio Civitate (Murlo), seems perfect for the Etruscan Civic Center:
Earlier periods:
Etruscan temples,
temple of Veii
More temples:
Miscellaneous:
Etruscan Tombs:
Frescoes
By the way, two of the pictures of tombs are from the 3rd century BC it seems
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26 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Can you think of a strong 4th hero from the extended list? I'm trying to give each civ at least 4 to choose from.
- ¿Puedes pensar en un cuarto héroe fuerte de la lista extendida? Estoy tratando de darle a cada civilización al menos 4 para elegir.
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Official twitter of RTR: Rome Imperium Surrectum
Official facebook:
https://www.facebook.com/rtr.imperium.surrectum
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In French, but there are some useful info:
- Yayoi have used extensively the sling.
- Yayoi did used the shield and the bow.
- Yayoi people were divided in small chiefdoms, often fighting against each other.
- The horse was introduced lately and was not used for warfare until the 4th century AD.
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16 hours ago, vajei said:
But we were not a civilization, because those civilizations that followed their vile lusts, expelled us and murdered us.
Refrain from such comments.
16 hours ago, vajei said:The claim that it used to be like this is not so relevant, because it is nice to stick to history, but where it interferes with the game it is clearly not the main thing.
This is a game in which you can kill and destroy other people, and the thing bothering you is seeing the belly of a woman?
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I think that a Palaestra or a Gymnasion would be more suitable.
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Just now, Genava55 said:
Cassius Dio, Roman History, Book 5, Chapter 62: "All this I [Boudicca] say, not with the purpose of inspiring you with a hatred of present conditions, — that hatred you already have, — nor with fear for the future, — that fear you already have, — but of commending you because you now of our own accord choose the requisite course of action, and of thanking you for so readily co-operating with me and with each other. 2 Have no fear whatever of the Romans; for they are superior to us neither in numbers nor in bravery. And here is the proof: they have protected themselves with helmets and breastplates and greaves and yet further provided themselves with palisades and walls and trenches to make sure of suffering no harm by an incursion of their enemies. For they are influenced by their fears when they adopt this kind of fighting in preference to the plan we follow of rough and ready action. 3 Indeed, we enjoy such a surplus of bravery, that we regard our tents as safer than their walls and our shields as affording greater protection than their whole suits of mail. As a consequence, we when victorious capture them, and when overpowered elude them; and if we ever choose to retreat anywhere, we conceal ourselves in swamps and mountains so inaccessible that we can be neither discovered or taken. 4 Our opponents, however, can neither pursue anybody, by reason of their heavy armour, nor yet flee; and if they ever do slip away from us, they take refuge in certain appointed spots, where they shut themselves up as in a trap. 5 But these are not the only respects in which they are vastly inferior to us: there is also the fact that they cannot bear up under hunger, thirst, cold, or heat, as we can. They require shade and covering, they require kneaded bread and wine and oil, and if any of these things fails them, they perish; for us, on the other hand, any grass or root serves as bread, the juice of any plant as oil, any water as wine, any tree as a house. 6 Furthermore, this region is familiar to us and is our ally, but to them it is unknown and hostile. As for the rivers, we swim them naked, whereas they do not across them easily even with boats. Let us, therefore, go against them trusting boldly to good fortune. Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves."
https://romaninscriptionsofbritain.org/inscriptions/TabVindol164
"… the Britons are unprotected by armour (?). There are very many cavalry. The cavalry do not use swords nor do the wretched Britons mount in order to throw javelins."
Found in Vindolanda, probably a Roman soldier describing the Caledonians.
posted in the wrong topic
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Cassius Dio, Roman History, Book 5, Chapter 62: "All this I [Boudicca] say, not with the purpose of inspiring you with a hatred of present conditions, — that hatred you already have, — nor with fear for the future, — that fear you already have, — but of commending you because you now of our own accord choose the requisite course of action, and of thanking you for so readily co-operating with me and with each other. 2 Have no fear whatever of the Romans; for they are superior to us neither in numbers nor in bravery. And here is the proof: they have protected themselves with helmets and breastplates and greaves and yet further provided themselves with palisades and walls and trenches to make sure of suffering no harm by an incursion of their enemies. For they are influenced by their fears when they adopt this kind of fighting in preference to the plan we follow of rough and ready action. 3 Indeed, we enjoy such a surplus of bravery, that we regard our tents as safer than their walls and our shields as affording greater protection than their whole suits of mail. As a consequence, we when victorious capture them, and when overpowered elude them; and if we ever choose to retreat anywhere, we conceal ourselves in swamps and mountains so inaccessible that we can be neither discovered or taken. 4 Our opponents, however, can neither pursue anybody, by reason of their heavy armour, nor yet flee; and if they ever do slip away from us, they take refuge in certain appointed spots, where they shut themselves up as in a trap. 5 But these are not the only respects in which they are vastly inferior to us: there is also the fact that they cannot bear up under hunger, thirst, cold, or heat, as we can. They require shade and covering, they require kneaded bread and wine and oil, and if any of these things fails them, they perish; for us, on the other hand, any grass or root serves as bread, the juice of any plant as oil, any water as wine, any tree as a house. 6 Furthermore, this region is familiar to us and is our ally, but to them it is unknown and hostile. As for the rivers, we swim them naked, whereas they do not across them easily even with boats. Let us, therefore, go against them trusting boldly to good fortune. Let us show them that they are hares and foxes trying to rule over dogs and wolves."
https://romaninscriptionsofbritain.org/inscriptions/TabVindol164
"… the Britons are unprotected by armour (?). There are very many cavalry. The cavalry do not use swords nor do the wretched Britons mount in order to throw javelins."
Found in Vindolanda, probably a Roman soldier describing the Caledonians.
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20 hours ago, Thorfinn the Shallow Minded said:
Let's perhaps reframe it this way. It goes without saying that philosophy was extremely important in Athens, so in a hypothetical world, let's say that an academy building is introduced to represent that. Ah, but Aristotle mentored Alexander the Great, so surely Academies should be buildable for them also. I am not doubting the fact that Macedonians built theatres, in fact the models used to represent theatres are entirely unlike the hillside amphitheatres Athenians would have sat at to watch a play of Sophocles. The point I am contending is that theatres are not core to Macedonian identity, and in a game in which Hellenic/Hellenistic factions are ubiquitous, giving these factions differentiation is helpful.
Indeed, if the Romans don't have theatres in game, the Macedonians, Seleucids and Ptolemies should not. It should be limited to Athenians.
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4 minutes ago, Gurken Khan said:
Assuming this doesn't point to intercontinental trade of the North American natives in the 1400s, there were tons of Ming dynasty coins just lying around and used as a commodity?
I think that most of the coins are from the Qing dynasty, only a few from the Ming. But yeah the Yongle coins were used massively for foreign trades so it was mostly used by foreign merchants:
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https://twitter.com/Yellowriver478/status/1666579698405740545
The coin armour of the North American natives, belonging to the Tlingit people of the Yukon. Most of the coins used is from the Qing dynasty, ranging from the Shunzhi to Xianfeng periods, while the earliest is from Yongle period (1403-1424) of the Ming...and those of the Kangxi and Qianlong emperors being the most popular. These copper coins may have been obtained from trade with Chinese or Russian merchants. The Tlingit had used such coin armour to make Russians' smoothbore muskets powerless.-
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https://twitter.com/HeraklesCithare/status/1666706504647319553
Heart of the sanctuary of Asklepios superbly illustrated by Massimiliano Pezzolini. Pilgrims went there hoping to find healing through the power of incubation, i.e. through dreams, but the sanctuary also attracted the best doctors in Greece.
The marble tholos, erected in the middle of the 4th c. av. probably housed the serpents of Asklepios, healing animals of the god of medicine. The Doric temple includes an internal gallery with Corinthian capitals and a coffered dome.
This was the heart of the sanctuary, which extended over a colossal surface and presented monuments as varied as they were numerous: Propylon, Katagogeion (hotel for pilgrims with 160 rooms), Hestiatorion (catering for pilgrims), gymnasium, stadium, theater ... But also baths, an altar to Apollo (the father of Asklépios), a temple to Aphrodite.
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1 hour ago, Delfador said:
Just great. You will use authentic old Germanic names of buildings and units, right?
Proto-Germanic would be the best.
Wikipedia:
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:English_terms_derived_from_Proto-Germanic
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Germanic_and_Latinate_equivalents_in_English
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Appendix:Proto-Germanic_Swadesh_list
https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/Category:Proto-Germanic_lemmas
Others:
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2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:
Scythians built fortresses, specifically the Crimean Scythians. They have a fortress in DE. Xiongnu might have built rammed earth fortresses (still need research on that).
Obviously, it is easier to portray the nomads with the same mechanics than the other civs. I think being innovative here is an overshoot.
2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:Cimbri in EA, Suebians in DE
Suebians are better. Cimbri are less interesting and less known.
If we say that Suebians are related to the Jastorf culture, then they are already appearing around 600 BC in Mecklenburg-Vorpommern.
2 hours ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:They had the lowest number of votes in the last poll, tied with Thebans.
But now they have some proto-buildings. People couldn't picture the civ.
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Just to give inspiration to distinguish between Scythians and Xiongnu:
https://assetstore.unity.com/packages/3d/environments/historic/nomad-tents-pack-53565
https://www.unrealengine.com/marketplace/en-US/product/nomadic-tents
https://fr.3dexport.com/3dmodel-desert-gobi-dome-tent-02-148636.htm
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/cartoon-yurt-4-low-poly-game-ready-e5d7941d52b44bc9a21e07ed1fab0690
https://sketchfab.com/3d-models/tent-yurt-f97ea7435a3244a0810bd77fe19a4b70
Even if it is not historical, at least it won't be stuck
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===[COMMITTED]=== Onager
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As far as I remember, people were still objecting the idea to go beyond the Punic Wars for the Romans, notably @Thorfinn the Shallow Minded
So I doubt they would like to mix the Principate period into the current Roman civ.
I suppose you are thinking of the Pax Romana concept. Be careful do not confuse this idea with peacefulness. Pax Romana means a period without civil wars and without invasions within the Roman Empire. During the Pax Romana, Rome had multiple wars and invaded multiple people. Including Britons, Germans, Dacians, Parthians, Jews etc.
The lack of records is simply due to the lack of surviving material. Most of the material from the classical period survived because medieval monks trained themselves with ancient authors, to learn Latin and Greek.