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  3. Can we take control of the Flathub repo?

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    Posted · Edited by ShadowOfHassen

    I think for some reason, you're making it seem much more complicated, @hyperion than I've seen it with even the flatpak people. I don't see how it would be hard, to say, "hey people who are currently doing a fine job with maintaining the Flathub, how about we make this official?" And then have them help the dev team maintain it.

    If you're afraid of getting more bugs, well you'll get it anyway, because people always assume it's the game when it's not the package format, I see it with the other repo I've been helping maintain. The only thing to do is have someone there who can try to help them figure the problem out.

     

    Looking over what @Stan` said, I think he assumed I meant making it official for the game. That isn't the case. I'm just suggesting WFG take some control over the flatpak like they have the snap, so we don't have the "scary" verified check mark.

  4. Can we take control of the Flathub repo?

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    Posted · Edited by ShadowOfHassen

    1 hour ago, hyperion said:

    Those distribution builds are done by distribution maintainers and not wfg. Sure sometimes they run into issues and might ask a quetion or two but more often than not they provide patches and it can be considered a net win for the project. From the viewpoint of wfg flatpack is just yet another binary repo. That reminds me of https://xkcd.com/927/

     

    I'm a Linux user for 30 years and still not yet a fundamentalist. What I expect from binaries is that I could build them myself and that they are from a trusted source, also I want to get notified of security issues and them being taken care of in a professional and timely manner. Lastly it should be functional. This is what a distribution maintainer is for and if you want to take care of flatpack you will have to take up the same role.

    Whether the binary format is PE, ELF or Mach-O I don't care and don't see why I should. So the really bad I really don't understand.

     

    Wine is a recursive acronym for wine is not an emulator. Sometimes a software actually runs faster in wine than on Windows. I remember getting about twice the FPS  for Diablo II. Ofc an Linux package is preferable all else equal.

     

    Debian builds for 4 different archs https://packages.debian.org/stable/0ad, so no single binary to rule them all. There are more archs than that running Linux, some somewhat recent patches suggest people also want to run 0ad on risc-v and e2k.

     

    Not money but man-hours. Half a day would be not unusual I'd estimate. Add to that that bugs with that package would be come our bugs instead of theirs.

    If you want to help I guess you'd have to be familiar with building from source, packaging software, willing to commit for several years, live in a country were law can reach you and possibly meet a current developer IRL for exchanging keys.

    Don't you realize we can just take a snap, AppImage or literally any other binary and just have flathub pull it?

    If we could get the AppImage online, you'd just tell the flathub to run that. There wouldn't even need signing, you just tell flathub to directly download it from WFG

     

  5. Can we take control of the Flathub repo?

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    40 minutes ago, Stan` said:

    Just so we're on the same page, we have an official snap maintained by @oSoMoN @andy5995 also made a pipeline to build an appimage (I sadly never had the time to port it to jenkins)

    We're in contact with Arch, Debian, Ubuntu, FreeBSD and Fedora for official packages

    The problem is not so the package but the testing. There is a myriad of Linuxes, and none of them behave the same. eg different kernel versions https://feedback.wildfiregames.com/os/

    The moment you take the responsibility to make the package you have to test every distro. Which is why while it's official snap and appimages are still separated for now.

     

    I believe the plan behind Flatpak was to build on one distro run on all others. I have run into issues, however, where something failed to work on one system that did on another. However, that was a problem between flatpak and system versions, not the flatpak. Just as for example wine + 0 A.D. might not work with all distro combinations.

    I actually don't even think Flathub wants you to test that many distros.

    The other thing to note is distros are moving to flatpak. Fedora is stopping support for LibreOffice packages to use focus on the flatpak.

  7. Can we take control of the Flathub repo?

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    Posted · Edited by ShadowOfHassen

    16 minutes ago, hyperion said:

    Why would you mind the unverified label for flatpack? ;)

    Also what does native mean? After all the exe is a native x86 binary and flatpack isn't a native distribution package.

    Using wine gets you a 0-day trusted binary path at basically no cost for wfg. The cost for a release I'd argue is already in the unhealthy territory. I fully understand that this might not be the most favorite solution for a small set of users but my standpoint is providing the sources is good enough and beyond that is adding bells and whistles.

    I don't mind the unverified label. But I think we probably should not have it because other users could easily be scared away from it, and besides I think it's only fair with we have the official snap, we should have an official release for the more popular third party app store.

    Native means, It's built specifically for Linux.

    Does it cost something for WFG to make a Linux build? Even when people like me volunteer to help? If so, how much? I am certain if you just did flatpak and snap, it would be much cheaper than helping to maintain the 12+ different package repositories for the Linux distros?

    I don't know how much you use Linux, but it is really bad to use wine with a game with an installer. Not only do you have to install the game, but most of the time you have to set up a desktop icon. Of course, you could use something like Lutris, but that's even more work. And of course, using wine increases the raw system power you need on a device.

    Also, there are many people who are using Linux and aren't tech people who compile apps. I have never compiled an app from source, and if that was the only way to make me play a game, I wouldn't because I don't want to have to go through that much work to play a video game.

     

     

  10. Can we take control of the Flathub repo?

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    8 minutes ago, Stan` said:

    Isn't ubuntu the most used distro, and their default app manager now using snap ? (I may be out of the loop there)

    Let's put it this way, on the steam survey, Ubuntu is the second most popular distro. The first is Arch, (from the steam deck, I think.) But even if you don't count arch, all the other distros put together are almost twice the amount of users as Ubuntu.

    https://store.steampowered.com/hwsurvey/?platform=combined

     

    Another possibly imperfect place for us to look is the Gaming On Linux Stats: https://www.gamingonlinux.com/users/statistics/

    Those stats seems to suggest that while Ubuntu based distros are the most popular, Ubuntu is only slightly higher than Pop!_OS or Linux Mint, and both of those Operating systems get rid of snap. In fact, I used to use Ubuntu, and it's still my go to operating system, but the first thing I do is ditch snap. I'm sure a lot of other Ubuntu users do likewise.

    So yes, technically Ubuntu is the most popular distro, there still are more people using Fedora/Arch/OpenSuse/etc than Ubuntu.

    15 minutes ago, Stan` said:

    I'm not able to take decisions on this anymore but this sounds good. Unfortunately testing is not really the issue there, the problem is more whatever kind of virtualization happens in there that breaks graphic drivers and sound ones.

     

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  12. Can we take control of the Flathub repo?

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    6 hours ago, Stan` said:

    IIRC the problem other than manpower is that thing break in non obvious ways (and we don't have the knowledge on that) on flatpack/appimages/snaps and we prefer people use their distribution package when ever possible.

    IIRC there is an app image, and the snap version is official.

    I'm going to be honest, most of the time the distribution packages can be woefully out of date, and most of the advice I see for new Linux users is to just go with flatpak. Also, snap is only used by canonical, and not a lot of people use it.

    I'm willing to help with testing/ mantaining a flathub repo. If we steal the unofficial one, I think most of the work would be done.

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  13. Alpha 27 release is temporarily halted

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    1 hour ago, Genava55 said:

    Is there anything we can do? I see only three blockers, one issue with the mac app store, one weird issue with Ubuntu (is it a reproduced issue?) and one issue with building spidermonkey...

    https://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/6810

    https://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/6839

    https://trac.wildfiregames.com/ticket/6895

    Except the issue with python and spidermonkey, I am not sure the two others are blockers

    The issue was with 23.04 which is unsupported by Canonical, so I think we could safely close the issue.

  15. Can we take control of the Flathub repo?

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    https://www.gamingonlinux.com/2024/04/flathub-now-prominently-notes-unverified-flatpak-apps/

    I understand that it's extra work for the developers, but I can foresee this as a potential hang up for new Linux users trying to get onto 0 A.D. Flatpak is by far the easiest way to install an up-to-date version of the game, and a big unverified tag might turn people away.

    Anyway, I'm sure whoever runs the unofficial flatpak repo, would gladly hand it over to the developers, and so all the set-up work will be done. All that would need to be done is update the flatpak whenever we get a new release.

  16. 0 A.D. 2v2 Tournament (Team finding Thread)

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    8 hours ago, Norse_Harold said:

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