ShadowOfHassen

Thanks @Stan` for all the work! I haven't been here for a while, but I've dabbled with some other open source projects. I think I agree with @real_tabasco_sauce with splitting up the command. The same person who's overseeing the engine doesn't have to be the same person that oversees the art or the PR or the writing, or testing. Different people or better, yet different teams of people could work on each. The one issue I've found is that the contribution system looks very confusing. It might turn out not when I eventually submit a patch, but it looks like it. I'm actually kind of nervous when the time comes to start putting patches of the encyclopedia into the game. Maybe with an easier, more straight forward (but still self-hosted) all in one bug tracker solution would be better, like GitLab, so people wouldn't need to get multiple accounts on different old programming systems to submit something. Oh Also, a dev/ WFG staff (I don't know who is in charge of it) but I can help with documentation, just PM me with something and I'll see what I can do.

Actually putting the sketches in the encyclopedia article is one of the things I requested. I don't know how to set that up, so we're dependent on the DEVs but, I hope that something like that will eventually come along. However, the only thing we can do until we get a new UI is write the articles. @Hemachandra you seem interested in the history side, you're welcome to help write.

I agree the houses aren't 100% percent historically accurate, but I believe they're historically accurate enough. Yes, Greek houses were probably bigger in scale, but this is a video game and there are other liberties taken with all the other buildings (there's no such thing as a civic center, and Sparta really should have Helots and no Trading.) Gameplay wise, I think it'd just clutter things up. Why two houses? There's simply no benefit beyond a civ's special power. If someone wants to add more cosmetic ones, that's great, but I'd hesitate giving the civilizations a wide variety of buildings for skirmishes. For places, however, where history and gameplay are at odds, we're working on an encyclopedia to clear it up.

Athen Temple and Wonder https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/55

Here's the last Pr to add metric to our entries with measurements:https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/53

https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/50 Farming for Athens. Some of Sparta's farming I put into mixins for both of them.

Final Sparta PR: https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/47 It's the overview Sparta entry. I rewrote the old one to give a better overview and to not sound exactly like the first paragraph of the Wikipedia article. Now this brings us to a question. @Stan` how often do you want to add this stuff to mainstream 0 A.D. the post about removing the encyclopedia said that the new encyclopedia would be added in batches to not overwhelm translators. I think personally that with all the tree, animal and treasure entries that have been written it might be easy to do it soon. (To not overwhelm people.)

I think that Athens should have some unique upgrades that are non-military to show that they did a lot for philosophy/ literature. Maybe, and this is less of an upgrade, allow the theater be able to be built in the second age and allow several choosable play themed upgrades that change your civ. I.E. you can choose either the clouds by Aristophanes to have +10% research cost but +10% resource gathering speed, or {INSERT OTHER PLAY} that has the opposite effect/ No. this would not be for the other theaters. I don't think the other civs should have the theater. (They should have other cool buildings) if there's a new community mod, can I put my resource upgrade change idea? If people like the theater idea, I might be able to set up a rough version for the community mod as well.

Animal edit/ add metric/ wildebeest (because we forgot it somehow) https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/44/

Yep that was pretty sloppy, Ooops. It should be fixed now.

Sparta's stable: https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/43

I thought they could improve the roman women's stats and work rate. Then have them have upgrades that make buildings have more HP and finally, make soldiers fight a bit better. If you think an encyclopedia folder is enough difference, I can remove the encyclopedia at the beginning right before I add the first batch to mainline (we're almost there, we have the arsenal and the artillery training place.)

Thanks, I actually am waiting until A27 can be released because I want to put my resource gathering update mod there to see if people like it.

Whew, the research for the Spartan wonder was tricky. Here's the PR for it and fortresses, as well as some bugfixes and tweaks. https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/41 A few things to note is that, if we have a cool fort in a certain civ's history, let me know, and we can write a special article for it (or you can and that'd be great) If anyone wants to give editorial feedback on the PR I'm open, or if people have more information about the wonder let me know, and I might add it. Well, the sanctuary is a wonder, for Greek there's just a generic temple for the Hellenistic civs. I don't know if there's any modder who wants to add a million temples, but it's a big world. What I'd love is if someone could add Vestal Virgins to Rome's Vestal temple, because it seems wrong and besides, it would be easier to have two places to write encyclopedia articles. (If it's a hesitance because people don't know what the Vestal Virgins power should be, I think I have a few ideas.)

Exactly, and we need to make a concious effort to try to do more than just one thing. However, I don't see how balancing the game to allow people to focus and get a blitz army/ level up the first time early or make a wide range resource gathering and research the first age slower, but the next one much faster messes anything up. If you have any ideas for other strategies, I'd love to hear them. I don't program much but the hole game design side of developing I think is fascinating.

This is a problem that I've found with 0 A.D. --Real quick preface is that I'm not the best RTS player, but I think I'm pretty good, but there are some bad balances with both 0 A.D.'s AI and the game itself I have not played it, but I've heard stories about people playing competitive World of Warcraft where they had to send EXACTLY two soldiers to collect gold, Exactly two to build and then train 10 grunts and blitz, because that's what everyone else did. 0 A.D. seems like this. OK, there are some ways in the game where you shouldn't be able to everything. (If I just pick flowers in minecraft I'm going to get myself killed really quickly) but 0 A.D. should not have a specific "way" to win. OK, you do need to shoot for wood and meat in the first level, but I should be able to do it in different ways. I should be rewarded by putting a few soldiers on metal and stone at the beginning. I shouldn't have to pour everything I've got into soldiers, because if I don't, I get mobbed by 50 spearmen 10 minutes unto the game. Building walls would counteract the spearmen, but I'd need the resources and builders for that, and that requires more soldiers and I can't get all of that done. How can this be addressed? Firstly, by rewarding players for branching out. My suggestion was to change the resources required by the resource gathering upgrades, so that the player, if he put people on metal, would be rewarded by making his wood soldiers get upgraded, yes you could ignore that, but now its a choice. Just getting wood and metal might allow me to get lower costs, but If I can wide balance it, my late game time will be easier. Then in regard to rams. @Vantha's been doing more research, but in ancient times a siege ram would be murdered by a handful of men without protection. It should destroy buildings, but it should only be protected from arrows. Everything else should cut right through it.

What exactly is Sparta's Wonder Its called the Hieron tēs Artemidos Orthias but when I search that I get nothing. Does it have an English name from which I can start my research?

I have a PR of edits and adding metric to the trees: https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/40 it has US customary system first. Personally I think it would be easier to leave it first seeing that 0 A.D. already has translations for other versions of English (and for us Americans customary is what we know). But, someone really wants it the other way, I will merge their PR to the repository. At the moment, it'll be tricky to do this, but we'll keep this in mind. I've seen other people wanting something similar, and personally I'd love to see a special edition of 0 A.D. with a printed booklet.

The paragraph breaks work so far just by returning. All tabs show up except for the first one.

I'm not 100 percent you understand what I'm trying to say. Yes, most people in the world don't understand customary system. But most people in the US don't understand SI. Some know how to do the multiplying and convert it, (like me) but I don't know the size. If you said 52 cm. I'd have no clue how far that was, or a kilometer or a meter. If what I'm currently writing is En_US, it'll need to at least have the customary system. Also, I don't think there's any worry about mistaking the foot part. Almost all the archeological books I've read use the US customary system, and they don't seem to think it's going to get confused. I don't see how it hurts to have both of them in En_US, that's what Wikipedia does. I think. Real quotes vs programmers quotes, I can fix. Finally, per the announcement for removing the encyclopedia we're going to roll out the encyclopedia in parts, the first part will be added once we finish Sparta (which is very soon). So I'll hold you to your word.

So here's what I'll do. I'll go back and add metric measurements in parentheses behind each one customary measurement. That can be for en_us and for other translations people can cut out the customary system. I'll also put the mixins in an encyclopedia area while I'm at it.

I don't mean to be biased. Is there another country that uses a different kind of foot for measurement? Or mile? I haven't seen them. Everything I've learned said there's only the metric system and US customary in the world. If I'm wrong, please enlighten me.

Everywhere I've seen, the standard is to write using En_US and then have translating change the measurements, so that's what we've done. It shouldn't be too hard to do an English international translation, as well as translations for most of the other English variants. This also makes a lot more sense, seeing that En_UK and EN_US have different spellings and grammar styles. (I.E. color/colour and the hole oxford comma, which is standard in the US and not the UK.) I don't know if English international has differences, like this, or not, but that can be changed as well. Also, having grown up using the customary system and I can tell you there is one definition of mile (5280 feet) and one definition for foot 12 inches. A final thing is for the standard English we could have feet and then a metric equivalent in () (I forget what they are called) It's not scrolling, it's the fact that all the information I want to say not pertain to Sparta only, so separate articles would be useful. Also, seeing that our self-imposed standard is aiming for the 1-5 paragraph length, it would be better to separate the Sparta temple article only to be about Sparta religion and do general hellenistic religion in another one. It requires changes to the encyclopedia lay out, so in the meantime it can be just the current info. (Unless people say otherwise.)

I'd like to say that was a trick to see if anyone was reading them...

Sparta temple: https://github.com/TheShadowOfHassen/0-ad-history-encyclopedia-mod/pull/36 I primarily wrote about Religion for Sparta, not Greek Religion in general or the Greek gods. Honestly, those should be separate pages. If people think I don't have enough information here I'll try to add some, but the same info would need to be added to all the Hellenistic ones as well, and that's a lot of overlap.