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Yeah that scheme would be super nice. If it can be doable via mod I can certainly put specific techs together in com mod.

For Rome, I feel like the civ is already pretty full of content (compared to the other civs). However, if someone ends up making a "rome expanded" mod or something for the SP community, this would be great. Or maybe it could be campaign only (whenever we are able to make campaigns, they take a ton of work).

I was going to suggest that the romans emblem should just be a pizza! That would be a pretty funny mod to make.

Its an Axeman. I welcome this early balance feedback, it helps to make the playtests more serious when we do them.

its committed Feel free to try it by getting the nightly build, or by building the game.

I think this is a bit myopic. If you have a tech. This tech has been in the game for several alphas now (as most eco techs have been). But in the next release this tech has another tech paired to it, what have you lost? Haven't you now gained an additional choice? Tech pairs are great for certain cases, like some unique techs. But If you make everything a choice of one over the other (like all the eco techs maybe), you are forcing a very black and white strategy on players. In my opinion, picking a path down a specialization tree isn't good strategy, that's why I oppose choosing heroes at game start, aoe4's monument system, and civilization specialization upon phase up.

I don't think developers of any game should be forcing strategies, they should naturally come about given the circumstances of play. Thats the problem i have with overusing tech pairs.

I agree that they are largely researched as soon as reasonably possible, with little variation, but the answer is not to force trade-offs by making them tech pairs. its better to diversify unit costs (we see more priority of the stone tech for slinger civs for example) and maybe reconsider the costs of the eco techs themselves. we can also make techs non-ubiquitous across civs.

This is kind of already the case with certain civs/buildings, like the carth mercs. However, I think it should be made consistent unless there's some huge balance issue (like multiple discounts leading to 10 metal mercs).

I think It could be considered as a unique tech or a unique unit for a civ. It would probably be very strong if the fire damage applies to multiple targets (splash).

Hi @Fabius I see the suggestion. However, in my opinion, the romans' relatively simple unit roster is important. Civs should have different strengths and weaknesses, and part of that is having an incomplete roster. Depending on how unit balance evolves going forward, there may be a need for the romans to get a different ranged unit, but for now I don't think they need it. I worry that adding extra units creates kind of a situation like mace currently, where they are very good at a lot of different strategies. If the range is really crucial, using bolts is a good choice.

What you do before the reforms plays a role. So if you are training spearmen, they don't turn into legionaries, but conscript spearmen. So if you want the reforms to be more of a power spike, you will want to train swordsmen before it, and if you want to retain your eco, train more spears before it.

@Classic-Burger in more high-level multiplayer games, 200 population might be reached by 11-13 minutes. Typically rushes in these games are between 2 and 5 minutes.

Yeah, Its unfortunate that archers need the archery tradition tech to feel at all worthwhile, which leaves carth archers in a terrible spot. At some point I think we need to do more to differentiate ranged units (more than just range+damage).

Hello @ProPlayer thank you for compiling this list of balancing suggestions! I agree with a lot of them. I think I'll go ahead and make the PR for the han changes. They are currently 3 pop, like catapults. Also, ranked up units do have higher capture attack. On clubmen, a lot of their utility is invalidated by the current capture balance, so I'd hesitate to give them so much speed. How do people feel about replacing the building damage increase per age with this? I could go either way.