OK, found a short motif that works well in all styles! http://wildfiregames.com/users/omri/SFX/Carthage_1.mp3 http://wildfiregames.com/users/omri/SFX/Carthage_2.mp3 http://wildfiregames.com/users/omri/SFX/Celtica_1.mp3 http://wildfiregames.com/users/omri/SFX/Celtica_2.mp3 I went with a simple, easy to recognize three note pattern, with harmonies that resolve from minor to major for extra gratification! Here are very basic, hastily recorded examples for Carthage and Celtica, just to illustrate how this mini-melody works in both eastern and western styles. The second phase reach effect is enhanced with a cymbal swell and a larger chord in the string section, and also played an octave higher. At the moment they're a bit bare and small but I figured it'd be best to leave some room for cheering instead of filling them up too much. If you like this general direction I'll record them properly (for all civs) and get the raw files to LAVS for integration. Omri