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2 hours ago, Nescio said:

Interesting...

And how about the Tollense Valley battle c 1250 BC, in north-east Germany, with "people from across Europe" joining in the fray... Seems rather brutal, in a stone-age kind of way ;) 

http://www.sciencemag.org/news/2016/03/slaughter-bridge-uncovering-colossal-bronze-age-battle

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56 minutes ago, Sundiata said:

Brutal... 

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Indeed I read the notice.  that's why this Pre Colombian civs  were rude, but in the Andenean they eat Coca leaves and that's help their suffering.

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The Coca was primarily used in the high-lands it helped in altitude adjustment for couriers it's use was also ceremonial elsewhere was part of trade patterns along with cacao beans.

Enjoy the Choice :)   

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2 hours ago, Loki1950 said:

The Coca was primarily used in the high-lands it helped in altitude adjustment for couriers it's use was also ceremonial elsewhere was part of trade patterns along with cacao beans.

Enjoy the Choice :)   

I saw the documental about the maiden.

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30 minutes ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

Awesome! And pretty!

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The messed up thing about Kushites is that most archaeological sites have only been partially excavated. Many have never been excavated at all. That also leaves a lot of future surprises for us to look forward to :) 

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Just now, Sundiata said:

Awesome! And pretty!

 

 

The messed up thing about Kushites is that most archaeological sites have only been partially excavated. Many have never been excavated at all. That also leaves a lot of future surprises for us to look forward to :) 

I hope so.

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https://www.thelocal.de/20180502/roman-relics-found-in-rhein-region-show-evidence-of-bloody-uprising

Relics of Revolt Against the Romans Found in Germany

Roman relics found in Rhine region show evidence of bloody uprising

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Halfway between the ancient towns of Neuss and Xanten on the Lower Rhine, the Romans established a military camp in what is now Krefeld around 69 AD. 

 
Directly on the border of the Roman Empire, the area was chosen due to its strategic location on a small hill across from an important trade route to Germania. The Romans called the place Gelduba: Today, this district of Krefeld is called Gellep.
 
The famous historian Tacitus was the first to mention Gelduba, which was the scene of a massive battle between Romans and Batavians in 69 AD when Germanic Batavian prince Iulius Civilis started an uprising against the Romans in the Rhine-region. 
 
About 20,000 men - both Romans and Batavians - fought in Gelduba.

Roman relics found in Rhine region show evidence of bloody uprising

 

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Ancient Romans Painted Horrifying Blood-Red Warnings on Wall Across Scotland.

https://www.livescience.com/62510-painted-roman-stone-walls.html

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Ancient Romans used blood red, bright yellow and stunning white paints to illustrate dire warnings on the wall that separated them from the rebellious tribespeople of Scotland, a new study shows.

:..can visit the reset on the link. because copyright.

 

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50 minutes ago, Imarok said:

If that is supported by conventional sources,

Yes, all of it is true, common knowledge amongst classicists, and can be easily verified. E.g. Thermopylae is described in detail at the end of Herodotus' Histories VII.

52 minutes ago, Imarok said:

we maybe should redesign Sparta?

There are a few oddities in 0 A.D., e.g.:

  • Sparta has -10% maximum population limit (in fact it was the largest and most populous state in Greece)
  • Sparta can't build walls (yes, neither Sparta itself (it was a collection of villages, not a city) nor any other settlement in their territory (out of fear of revolt) had city walls; the same applied to Rome for a long time; however, the Spartans did skillfully erect stone walls elsewhere)
  • Spartan basic units are called citizens (citizenship was limited to a minority of the population, only the elite of society)
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9 minutes ago, Nescio said:
  • Spartan basic units are called citizens (citizenship was limited to a minority of the population, only the elite of society)

Every soldier in the game is called a citizen, so yeah, that's a problem with every civ unfortunately.

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4 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Every soldier in the game is called a citizen, so yeah, that's a problem with every civ unfortunately.

True. But it is not impossible to correct it.

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1 hour ago, Imarok said:

If that is supported by conventional sources, we maybe should redesign Sparta?

The video doesn't lie, but it's kind of selective with its presentation. The author had a narrative to tell, so omitted a lot. 

 

26 minutes ago, Nescio said:
  • Sparta has -10% maximum population limit (in fact it was the largest and most populous state in Greece)

Perhaps by sheer numbers of people, but at its height, only 8000 actual citizens and maybe double that in military-aged Perioikoi. The pop penalty seems fine to me.

 

26 minutes ago, Nescio said:
  •  Sparta can't build walls (yes, neither Sparta itself (it was a collection of villages, not a city) nor any other settlement in their territory (out of fear of revolt) had city walls; the same applied to Rome for a long time; however, the Spartans did skillfully erect stone walls elsewhere)

 In DE, I give the Spartans back their walls, but not until Empire Phase after they research Hellenistic reforms to unlock the Spartan Pikeman and Stone Walls. :) 

11 minutes ago, Nescio said:

True. But it is not impossible to correct it.

Indeed. I'm in the process now with DE, splitting soldiers from citizens from slaves/helots/peasant-class units. :) The major hiccup I'm experiencing is how to depict the castes of India for the Mauryas.

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9 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

The video doesn't lie, but it's kind of selective with its presentation. The author had a narrative to tell, so omitted a lot.

Granted. That's nothing unusual though.

9 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

Perhaps by sheer numbers of people, but at its height, only 8000 actual citizens and maybe double that in military-aged Perioikoi. The pop penalty seems fine to me.

Plus seven helot skirmishers per Spartan citizen. Plus allied troops. Plus mercenaries.

11 minutes ago, wowgetoffyourcellphone said:

In DE, I give the Spartans back their walls, but not until Empire Phase after they research Hellenistic reforms to unlock the Spartan Pikeman and Stone Walls. :)

Sounds a bit anachronistic to me (they erected stone walls in the Archaic and Classical periods, long before they had pikemen or imperialistic tendencies), but it's your mod, so do whatever you like.

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