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Archaeological evidence of the earliest repeating crossbow from Tomb 47 at Qinjiazui, Hubei Province has been dated to the 4th century BC, during the Spring and Autumn period.[2] However, its invention is commonly attributed to Zhuge Liang (181–234 AD), a famous military strategist of the Three Kingdoms period; Zhuge Liang improved the design of the repeating crossbow, and made a version which shot two to three bolts at once and was used in massed formations. For this reason, it was named after him.[citation needed] Other repeating crossbows fired as many as 10 bolts before exhausting the magazine.[3]

The repeating crossbow was introduced into Korea by King Sejong (1418–1450), who during a trip to China saw the weapon and was impressed by its operation. In Korean it was called sunogung (Hangul수노궁; Hanja手弩弓).

 

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It's a nickpick, but the crossbow mechanism appears to be mounted backward.

A better reference of the Han crossbow (model) can be found here.

http://www.atarn.org/letters/letter_summaries.htm#han_xbw

You can also check out this guy's pose when shooting the crossbow -  there's a rangefinding sight mounted on the Han crossbow, so he is attempt to adjust the range when shooting.

 

The classical "cranked" Chu Ko Nu was a Ming invention. The early Chinese repeating crossbow did not look or operate like that. The video below demonstrate the early-type repeating crossbow. It's also 20 shot as compared to the standard 10.

 

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Hey @wolflance nice to see you back ! We will definitely try to fix some of those nitpicks before the next Terra Magna release. In case you haven't followed rise of the east is now part of a bigger mod which also includes the Xiongnu faction and the Zapotecs.

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@stanislas69

Due to real life I can't join forum discussion as often as I used to be,  but I still occasionally come here to check for update. Yes I know about the combination into Terra Magna, in fact I started the Xiongnu thread.

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36 minutes ago, wolflance said:

@stanislas69

Due to real life I can't join forum discussion as often as I used to be,  but I still occasionally come here to check for update. Yes I know about the combination into Terra Magna, in fact I started the Xiongnu thread.

Yes Xiongnu are in the mod first nomad, they can pack their buildings. only need defenses(fort wagon) and unique techs... and a Priest.

Some ideas , and other buildings.

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3 hours ago, Lion.Kanzen said:

defenses(fort wagon)

Xiongnu actually built some (permanent) fortifications, but I'm having having difficulty locating pictures or reconstructions of the ruins. If those fortifications used similar construction techniques as the Xiongnu capital city of Tongwancheng or other "cities" like Khermen Tal, they would have been built from rammed earth and wood. Ironically, I think the Han Chinese rammed earth fortifications of Northern China are the closest approximation for Xiongnu fortifications I can think of. I suspect (pretty sure) they heavily influenced each other, and the radical difference in Han Chinese architecture on the steppe and Han Chinese architecture further south, indicates that steppe architecture indeed influenced Han-Chinese on the steppe. 

In short, Xiongnu should have access to unmovable rammed earth walls and fortress.

Remains of Xiongnu fortification/palace at Tongwancheng:

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Han Chinese rammed earth watchtower in Dunhuang, built against the Xiongnu

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Something on excavations in Khermen Tal:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088258.shtml 

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10 hours ago, Sundiata said:

Xiongnu actually built some (permanent) fortifications, but I'm having having difficulty locating pictures or reconstructions of the ruins. If those fortifications used similar construction techniques as the Xiongnu capital city of Tongwancheng or other "cities" like Khermen Tal, they would have been built from rammed earth and wood. Ironically, I think the Han Chinese rammed earth fortifications of Northern China are the closest approximation for Xiongnu fortifications I can think of. I suspect (pretty sure) they heavily influenced each other, and the radical difference in Han Chinese architecture on the steppe and Han Chinese architecture further south, indicates that steppe architecture indeed influenced Han-Chinese on the steppe. 

In short, Xiongnu should have access to unmovable rammed earth walls and fortress.

Remains of Xiongnu fortification/palace at Tongwancheng:

2070016155_.thumb.JPG.ccb62895a9d0e279ad13c2b8e2b9c3ed.JPG

 

Han Chinese rammed earth watchtower in Dunhuang, built against the Xiongnu

1551322250_Summer_Vacation_2007_263_Watchtower_In_The_Morning_Light_Dunhuang_Gansu_Province.thumb.jpg.5322c183684cc57e7449664b2b4daabe.jpg

 

Something on excavations in Khermen Tal:

http://www.globaltimes.cn/content/1088258.shtml 

20180118meng3.jpg.d0b088907e96c3ccdacc81248fa25761.jpg

20180118meng4.jpg.4d359fc11442ca2123cb3ae1490accae.jpg

785d154f-3a6c-4cd3-b8dc-690c736602f9.jpeg.bbe77955c82bd9d8c2b4b3912e394404.jpeg

Can be used both in early and  late game. phase 1 use wagon defenses , phase 3 use fortification.

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