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Can you share? More from the Oxford Classical Dictionary (previously I mentioned that "the stage was about a metre high with a flight of steps in the centre communicating with the orchestra"): "The stage was entered from either side (and some plays exploit the contrast), and from a central door in the stage building, representing palace, temple (and sometimes pavilion, tomb, or cave) in tragedy; for comedy, three doors are certain for the 4th cent., and were probably available in the 5th. The central door also housed the ekkykléma, a wheeled platform perhaps measuring c.2.5 1.5 m., and in any case large enough to display set-pieces of events that had taken place inside, like Ajax's torture and slaughtering of the animals in his tent in Sophocles's play Ajax. Towards the right (western) end of the stage area a crane (méchané, machina) could be manipulated from behind the stage building to bring gods or heroes through the air onto the stage, or to have them fly up from it, like Bellerophon on Pegasos in a scene of Euripides which Aristophanes parodies in Peace. The roof of the stage building was also accessible: it was used for the watchman on the roof in Aeschylus’ Agamemnon, but in later tragedy mostly for the appearance of gods. The contrast between the hidden interior of the stage building and the daylight outside, between the gods on high and the actors on stage, and between these and the chorus, half-way to the audience and virtually within its territory, are all physical facts which the playwrights exploited. It is possible that the stage building had wings already in the later 5th cent. but the evidence is uncertain. In the 4th cent. the most important development was the so-called Lycurgan theatre with its stone stage building faced with semi-columns." The most clarifying picture I could find: Then: -You can leave the episkenion (second skene level), it was present by the late 5th c. BC, but maybe modified to have space for a hatch and stairs. -You could add a small 1 m high stage with central stairs leading to the circular orchestra. Your three skene doors look too similar to panels. -Your stone semi-columns seem from the post-350 BC Lycurgan phase. By then, the seating would have been of stone also. I'd stick with wood. -You could leave the central door open to show the wheeled plataform. Maybe another door could be (partially) open, revealing clothes and masks. -That crane doesn't seem accurate (no counterweight), but there are plenty of options around, which would improve the rear skene looks. -I'm not really sure how the "interior" was used, seems a bit too hidden for me, maybe it's just that the stage has some shadow from the skene. EDIT: maybe the first row of seats could be made of stone, that was one of the first stone additions, and it was maybe present by the time there were three acting levels, after all "some think that there was no stage building till shortly before the Oresteia in 458 BC".

Is there an option for "tech research icons appear there"? I've never seen this. In any case, I would use the absolute corners only, and if left with no choice, the middle edge points. But right now you have upper notifications appearing from four different places, which seems too much. Seems quite dark and taking a chunk of a building, but maybe more things have to be behind it to see. And it's hard to read because, as many have complained and should be solved, in general the font size of the game is too small. Bigger font with black edges should remove the need for any panel.

The time in the top right is the dev overlay that most people do not switch on - that is what this is aimed at replacing. It cannot be at the absolute right as tech research icons appear there. The panel can be made wider but you cannot take account of the length of usernames I could check that but there could be a performance hit. I was considering a scrolling text box for the content. The point about this version is the whole panel can be toggled with a keystroke or clicking the icon. So if it gets in the way you can switch it off. The background is transparent (80% IIRC). Without it the text is very difficult to read especially when the background is grass or trees - or snow for that matter. ah bummer - I liked it. In any case these are just ideas aimed at addressing a single issue. It would be up to the devs to implement. At the moment I have them in a mod.

Maybe make the Skene 20% larger, not to proportion it to the rest, but to proportion it to units. I'd sat the player color awning could be a little taller. Imagine sitting in the cheap seats and not being able to see the orchestra or the stage. Othwrherwise, I'm really loving this.

Maybe placed on the corner? 34:44 appears twice after all, and maybe 22:11:24 could be placed on the very right of the "Elapsed" notification line. Could the notification panel length be automatically adjusted according to the length of the notifications? The word "Wonder" takes another line. Could the notification panel size be automatically adjusted according to the number of notifications? There's a big empty chunk blocking the view. Could the notification panel be made transparent (or kind of removed)? I don't see why it's needed, it could work like those center-top notifications. Personally I wouldn't use the Eye of Horus because it's a strong reference to one civilisation in particular.

I found a different reference for a stage, which I prefer. It has a stone building in it, but the whole structure still looks "rustic" enough I think. Still a wip, so UVs, props and all that small stuff are incomplete. If I'm on the wrong track it's good to know early though, so what do you think?

Screenshot from nomad wonder game tonight:

Just saw this and sad to see as @uff was 100% trying to make things better. I want to see @uff come back and work towards making the game better. I have also tried to vibe a few things to solve the problems I notice but the aim should be to make code public & strive towards pushing improvements to the core game. I hope @uff can return with an emphasis on pushing features to core.

@AssassinsQtip, here my tips for you: 1) Start with extensive research, get your hands into whatever Proto-Zapotec reconstruction publications you can find. 2) Their words are now written with modern conventional characters, keep notes on how they should be pronounced. 3) Make a list of words that could be useful for the game (or all of them if you want), written in both English and those characters. 4) Come back here, and we can check, by then I could go through the previous points to see if I can fix or add something. You should then write down things like To hunt: *'ko?oti/a This being an example of what units could say when ordered to hunt.

Thank you Thalatta and Lopess for your input and your ideas. I had a talk with the woman who voiced the female files, and she indicated she was willing to try it also for proto-zapotec. And now I do not have to undergo the process of acquiring the necessary equipment, programs, and knowledge how to use the aforementioned equipment and programs. Once I have the text for the commands, I can get this done within a month. Of course, this requires having the commands, a process that will take awhile. Any tips or help on the matter will be most appreciated. In the meantime, I hope you all have a wonderful start to your autumn!

against the AI, walls definitely helps. battering ram are quite stupid and attack the first thing in front of them, they get delayed a lot by walls. So you can treat the soldiers first, and the rams after. Archers can't do much against building, so basically man your towers, fortress, wall towers, and CV, and the archers will die out quite quickly. Attacking vs the AI, if you want to preserve your army as much as possible, taking one or 2 tour at the edge of their camp and manning them is very usefull. I understand this is of no use against other players

I have made some changes for ideation - specifically: Eye of Horus icon button: This toggles a gameStatus panel on/off gameStatus Panel: Displays the time elapsed and ceasefire remaining (as the current dev overlay does) Displays any win conditions that may be enabled i.e. relics, wonders, last man standing, regicide Displays the coundown timers for wonder win and relic win Key combination Ctrl-Alt toggles the panel No icons to the left of each line as yet Also ignore my coloring of the other two icons as that is from another part of my mod that wouldn't apply to this.

I just thought that it would possibly suck terribly on maps like Hyrcanian Shores if you don't have the proper spawn position. I can't say anything on the other stuff.

Why? Isn't that how for example Rise of Nations works? Besides not being realistic, except on particular cases, and for understandable reasons. Ah, thanks. But I don't get why it's not just right-click, right now that does nothing, and the hovering icon is a crossed flag, making one think it's just impossible to do. Besides, when rallying to other buildings the hovering icon is the garrisoning one, no need of CTRL. Is there a reason why that's not the same for self-rally?

Terrible idea imho. It can. [+CTRL]

You are welcome to check it out. Our speeds vary more than vanilla, some are faster some are slower. Cavalry is broken into 4 classes, pursuit/scout cav which are only spearman and are the fastest, then light cav which most of time time is your archer/jav cav, sometiems a light melee cav, medium cav and heavy cav. The more "armor/resistance" the slower they get.

Reminds me of the Spys in Rise of Nations.

Never thought about this... even when it's like Athens' historical connection to its port (too bad in the game one can build docks on neutral territory, I'd reserve that just for some civs): Regarding the baking of champions, it does seem to me that's a bit OP, but I don't play MP. Related: why is it that a building cannot be set as its own rally point? Maybe because this strategy in general would become too OP? And yes, Hippocrates is the best, the AI can't deal with the nigh immortal army.

An intermediate position, rather than making it invisible would be to deactivate the unit coloring, making it harder to spot when in a forest. But idk if its a good idea, sounds more like scouting and less than spying

An alternative could be having a spy unit that only the owner can see (or the enemy would see as its own), along with enemy Lookouts and maybe Towers, also becoming visible after performing some action. These actions could be bribing, revealing information usually hidden to the player (enemy garrisons I think? or whatever useful), assassination, Hero detection, infiltration (climbing walls and palisades), and opening gates, among whatever others can think of. These actions could be made easier or unlocked with experience (instead of having extra techs that will be hard to historically justify). I'd rather have added micro and complexity from more interesting things as these than from repeatedly clicking easily automatable stuff.

What do you think about an enlarged Spying tech branch in the Tech tree that includes a Bribing soldiers tech after a basic Bribing merchants tech?

Super this is great. I will close my PR.

@manowar, I will make a PR for the fix I suggested. I've just tested it and there doesn't seems to be any complication to it. It will fix a lot of bugs that happens when the territory owner and building owner are different players. Here are the results : The territory line still visually slightly goes into the CC footprint but that's just the polyline smoothing rendering of territory lines. You can still propose your PR if you think it make sense balance-wise. But as a fix, I would consider it improper, and I prefer to fix the underlying issue if it's possible (and it seems to work).

I just thought of documenting all these stuff, I don't even have pictures (I'll add them later) 1. Trump Wall As athens you can get a nice research in the sanate that gives you the ability to place walls in neutral territory. this way you can basically partition the entire map in two piece. with Themoclydes or whatever that hero's name is,he gives half construction time and 30% less cost so it's even better. do note that this works very well against annoying cav mfs. also a point to note is to not start to build walls directly from neutral territory. start building them from your territory otherwise the walls you build will fall to gaia. this way you have a literal wall which can act as a root for making storehouses in random places,or making entire forts and stables and barracks and basically a new frkn base without a cc. do note that this costs a shitton of stone and a fair amount of manpower for both gathering and building. so in most cases it's best not to do this,but it's very fun 2. BAKE SOME CITY GUARDS ingredients: Athen civ, Barrack, Hoplite Tradition research, Athenian Hoplites process: P2 Hoplite tradition then bake your Hoplites in the oven (barracks) for about 3 minutes. and voila! you will have fresh champions for barely half the cost! and even before p3! ready to invade with the rest of your army!! it's actually a very strong strat so you can actually do this one quite a lot of times and situations 3. Hippo smash (by now you might have guessed what my fav civ is and who's really the biggest worshipper of Athena) in phase 2,you can invade with peltast mercs, Hippocrates,and a primary citizen spear army with Hoplite tradition. make sure to get the hoplite tradition, and in the forge get the pierce resistance as well as ranged attack damage buffs this strategy focus on constantly bombarding your enemy. the hippo is a very underrated hero,you can spam healers with that hero and your army can be nigh immortal,filled with rank 3 and city guards in little time if the enemy doesn't pay attention. works best against noobs who don't know how to counter. pictures and more troll strats coming soon!!