generate completely mirrored map for 1v1?

[kangz]

how easily could this be implemented

[Boudica]

It's not very hard to do. It's harder to do it in a way so that the map doesn't look unnatural.

[badosu]

This would be great! A true standard 1v1 to settle any issues.

Would it be possible without the map needing to be a Skirmish map?

Edited February 14, 2020 by badosu

[coworotel]

1 hour ago, badosu said:

Would it be possible without the map needing to be a Skirmish map?

I think so. Random maps follow a script, so the script creator just have to make sure that each resource he puts in side 1, he puts another in the mirrored position in side 2.

[ValihrAnt]

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This would be great! A true standard 1v1 to settle any issues.

A fully mirrored map will mean that a player will be capable of knowing exactly what resources, and where, the enemy has. So for an early rush I'll know exactly where all the berry spots are, where the woodlines are and such. It severely reduces importance of scouting. Other than that not too many downsides I can think of right now.

[badosu]

A certain level of randomness can be kept.

Hopefully one could make only the most high level aspects regarding balance to be mirrored: extra resources anywhere in a certain radius range (min range-max range-max degree spread) of the cc but can't overlap with the same type or different amounts than opponents, in locations that would make sense e.g. metal and stone reachable only via expand or p2, etc. Wood can't have too much variation (too thin or too fat clumps) and/or the total amount must be equal but the spawns are free to be defined by rngezus etc.

Edited February 14, 2020 by badosu

[AeternaTristitia]

I've always liked the slight randomness of maps such as Mainland, however It would be cool to have mirrored 1v1 maps just like the ones in Warcraft 3

[kangz]

@ffffffff extremely talented hacker and programming genius please implement this.

[sphyrth]

On 2/14/2020 at 9:19 AM, ValihrAnt said:

A fully mirrored map will mean that a player will be capable of knowing exactly what resources, and where, the enemy has. So for an early rush I'll know exactly where all the berry spots are, where the woodlines are and such. It severely reduces importance of scouting. Other than that not too many downsides I can think of right now.

This is an interesting take. But doesn't that also apply to pre-built maps?

That might also explain why you prefer playing on Random Maps as well.

[Stockfish]

@ValihrAnt I don't see it as something bad, you must scout same way to see what defenses player has put there.

In a lot of strats games, maps are always the same and it's not a big problem, but we're not talking about that, we're talking about lots of map possibilities but more or less equal for 2 players

[badosu]

So, I just opened the editor to take a look at how that would work. From what I see, the map should be a scenario or a skirmish?

I failed to find a place that defines the randomness script.

PS: For anyone wondering, on linux you can find the random maps on data/mods/public/public.zip

PS2: Ok, it seems pretty daunting, thankfully the library methods are decently documented.

Edited February 23, 2020 by badosu

[badosu]

I sent a post with the first iteration of such a map: https://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?/forum/384-scenario-designmap-making/&do=add