Civ: Germans (Cimbri, Suebians, Goths)

[Genava55]

On 20/03/2025 at 8:05 PM, Obskiuras said:

About the wolf warrior (ulfhednar), i think Tacitus mentions it in his book Germania, about the Batabos tribe.

No news? No additional info?

[Obskiuras]

3 hours ago, Genava55 said:

No news? No additional info?

Not really, i found some images that is supose to be germanic wolf warrior...

 

[Deicide4u]

Text about the wolf warriors.
 

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Examining the etymology of the terms “berserker” and “ulfhednar” can provide further insight into their origins. The word “berserker” is derived from Old Norse “berserkr,” which is believed to mean “bear-shirt” or “bear-coat” (referring to the bear skins they wore). This etymology emphasizes the connection between the Berserker and the bear, both in terms of physical strength and the animalistic nature often attributed to these warriors.

Similarly, the term “ulfhednar” originates from Old Norse “úlfhéðinn,” which translates to “wolf-coat” or “wolf-hide.” This term clearly highlights the relationship between Ulfhednar and the wolves they emulated, further reinforcing the notion that these warriors channeled the spirit and ferocity of their respective animals in battle.

Seems like it could be possible that some ferocious German warriors in ancient times would dress themselves in wolf skins. Especially as a way to "summon" the strength of mythological or religious wolf totem. I don't think that the wolf skin would be very effective as a suit of armor, though.

Maybe add them as very brutal, very aggressive melee glass cannon shock troops?

[real_tabasco_sauce]

2 hours ago, Deicide4u said:

Maybe add them as very brutal, very aggressive melee glass cannon shock troops?

pretty much

[real_tabasco_sauce]

Ok @Genava55

I addressed your suggestions just now in gitea.

[Deicide4u]

That looks great, @real_tabasco_sauce! Is hero the only one who wears full chain armor? I think I see one armored cavalry unit in the back, but could be just the gray texture.

[Obskiuras]

The articule is in spanish:

https://www.muyinteresante.com/historia/excavacion-arqueologica-contactos-mundo-rural-germano-imperio-romano.html

[Outis]

It would be great if someone can make a version of the German buildings with round shields, then it can be potentially used in the Millenium AD mod. I would do myself but dont know how to...

[real_tabasco_sauce]

On 10/04/2025 at 2:56 AM, Deicide4u said:

That looks great, @real_tabasco_sauce! Is hero the only one who wears full chain armor? I think I see one armored cavalry unit in the back, but could be just the gray texture.

yeah the hero is on the left. The cavs at the very back are champion swordcav.

[Obskiuras]

7 hours ago, Outis said:

It would be great if someone can make a version of the German buildings with round shields, then it can be potentially used in the Millenium AD mod. I would do myself but dont know how to...

|Do you need help? I can hep you, i would like to design buildings for Millenium A.D

[Obskiuras]

@wowgetoffyourcellphoneDo you need a remake of the Cimbri walls or another building? I bought sheets with an isometric pattern and i want to use them 

Edited April 25 by Obskiuras

[Obskiuras]

I will make a remake of the civic centre, and i´ll use this references:

 

[Genava55]

[Genava55]

Gold Bracteates from the migration period:

 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

also good inspiration for an emblem IMO

[Genava55]

39 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

also good inspiration for an emblem IMO

This is what Europa Barbarorum did for the Suebi, they took inspiration from one of these bracteate to make a simpler version (top right):

[real_tabasco_sauce]

@Obskiuras

maybe this would interest u?

the .png should be 128x128, with the background left transparent

[real_tabasco_sauce]

using the new shields for some flavor

[Stan`]

@Genava55 is it fine to have viking looking ships 1500 years ahead of time ? Also i think the game files still have their norse names karvi snekkja etc do we have other words for them ?

4 hours ago, Genava55 said:

This is what Europa Barbarorum did for the Suebi, they took inspiration from one of these bracteate to make a simpler version (top right):

What's the license on this ?

[Genava55]

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

@Genava55 is it fine to have viking looking ships 1500 years ahead of time ? Also i think the game files still have their norse names karvi snekkja etc do we have other words for them ?

First, of which civ are we talking about? The Cimbri ? The Suebi ? The Germans ?

The oldest evidence we have for boats is obviously the Hjortspring boat (around 350 BC). But this is a more nimble boat, carrying approx. 20 men and without any sail.

The other major find is from the Roman (imperial) period, circa 320 AD, the Nydam ship. This is larger, for 30 men, but without sail as well.

The first evidence for a sort of longship with a sail could be Kvalsund II, but it is not certain, it is disputed. Anyway it is dated around 780 AD so clearly too late.

The first undisputed ship with sail and looking like a Viking ship is the Oseberg ship, circa 830 AD.

I looked what the literature says on the topic, it seems to be in agreement with the few I know:

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The question of when the sail was adopted in the Norse homelands and how this affected the beginning of the earliest overseas voyages has been hotly debated. Some scholars support the idea that sails were used in Scandinavia long before the Viking Age, while a mid to late eighth-century date has been the generally accepted opinion (see Bill, Reference Bill and Klæsøe2010; Westerdal, Reference Westerdahl, Barrett and Gibbons2015: 18). One of the two vessels discovered at Salme in Estonia in 2008 and 2010, dates to around ad 750 and is the earliest evidence of a combined rowing/sailing vessel used by the Scandinavians (Price et al., Reference Price, Peets, Allmäe, Maldre and Oras2016). For Norway, the use of sail is not archaeologically attested before the Oseberg ship which was constructed in ad 820 (Bill, Reference Bill and Klæsøe2010: 27–28), although it is unlikely to have been the first sailing vessel in Norwegian waters. Nevertheless, the introduction of the sail and developments in shipbuilding technology during the Viking Age in this setting should be regarded as improvements and adaptions in response to new uses rather than the result of revolutionary inventions (Barrett, Reference Barrett, Anderson, Barrett and Boyle2010: 290).

Source: https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/european-journal-of-archaeology/article/earliest-wave-of-viking-activity-the-norwegian-evidence-revisited/C2A3AB5F0C962CFB700EEAF24970BE49

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

What's the license on this ?

Not compatible with 0AD. The EB team requires the explicit permission for each asset and for each use. It is not open source.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

the light warship can be designed after the Hjortspring boat, if someone can work on it. Its very cool. Maybe some adjustments can be made to the current arrow ship to make it more accurate.

also, the merchant ship is a bit big 

[real_tabasco_sauce]

The wikipedia article has a petroglyph with a ship seemingly much larger than the others, perhaps we could feature two different sizes? One a scout ship, one an arrow ship.

[Genava55]

2 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

The wikipedia article has a petroglyph with a ship seemingly much larger than the others.

Probably longer, but as nimble, versions of this boat existed too. Maybe you can use two sizes of the same boat type.

7 minutes ago, real_tabasco_sauce said:

also, the merchant ship is a bit big 

Yeah the merchant ships are probably too large.

[real_tabasco_sauce]

@nifa if ur still around is this something you would be up to try?

[Genava55]

1 hour ago, Stan` said:

Also i think the game files still have their norse names karvi snekkja etc do we have other words for them ?

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/baitaz

https://en.m.wiktionary.org/wiki/Reconstruction:Proto-Germanic/skipą