Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Because i play the Seleucid faction a lot (those of you who have seen me around the forum know this) and even though my modeling and animation skills, while there, are quite limited. So I will just give ideas, if the developers wish to listen, and i will be honoured if you all would help me help the developers finish this glorious faction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 First suggestions: roster switch around. I would suggest that the thracians from the military colony, replace them with Thorax swords (Thorakites), remove this from the colonies build quene, and replace the mounted javalineer from the barracks. In the thracians place in the colonys quene, replace it with Bactian hopolites, or a more local mercenary. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Now, a question for the developers; what is left to finish on this faction? This is so we can haveideas what to discuss. Edited October 18, 2015 by SeleucidKing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordGood Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Models, models, and more models lolEnrique i assume is chipping away at the texture pack when he can, Hopefully I can get some time to finish the building set, but senior year is kicking in and I need all the time i can get for thesis 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Seleucid cataphrac need work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I made the cataphract helmet Not sure it is used though ^^ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JC (naval supremacist) Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Just by curiousityWhy do you like Seleucids (even your logo seems to) ? Its a bit uncommon so i'm curious. Nobody would claim todaythat he has some seleucids origins (maybe except me) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Just by curiousityWhy do you like Seleucids (even your logo seems to) ? Its a bit uncommon so i'm curious. Nobody would claim todaythat he has some seleucids origins (maybe except me)Well, the Seleucids were the ONLY of the Diadochi kingdoms to successfully resist Roman invasion. I have always loved the Greeks, and my second favorite is the Spartans, but I think that the Seleucids being able to resist Rome is incredible. Also, I started liking the Seleucids a while back because I wanted to eventually get RomeII Total War, but I wasn't certain if I would be able to get the Greek States DLC so I could play Sparta. I started looking at other factions, and I already had a bias against Macedon, but I found the Seleucids. I started playing them in Rome I Total War, and fell in love with the Legionaire/Phalanx combo. I have loved the faction ever since. And yes, my logo is the Seleucid logo from RomeII that I turned green instead of blue. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) Seleucid cataphrac need work.Well, all of the Seleucid cavalry (minus the Hikkapontensis Polites) are VERY eastern in appearance. I believe that is not very accurate. While there were a few Eastern based units (which is why I suggest you keep the Dahae horse archers) the Seleucids were still very greek. I think more greek roster would be appropriate. This is also why I suggested the replacement of the Thracians with Thorax Swords (Thorakites) and the introduction of the mercenary Bactrian Hoplite, because the Pikemen, Legionaires/Swords, and merc Hoplites were quite important in Seleucid armies. Hypapist Hoplites were also an important flank guard to the Argyraspides Corps. Edited October 18, 2015 by SeleucidKing Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Well, all of the Seleucid cavalry (minus the Hikkapontensis Polites) are VERY eastern in appearance. I believe that is not very accurate. While there were a few Eastern based units (which is why I suggest you keep the Dahae horse archers) the Seleucids were still very greek. I more greek roster would be appropriate. This is also why I suggested the replacement of the Thracians with Thorax Swords (Thorakites) and the introduction of the mercenary Bactrian Hoplite, because the Pikemen, Legionaires/Swords, and merc Hoplites were quite important in Seleucid armies.The Seleucid in this game represent Battle of Magnesia, Battle of Raphia, Daphne Parade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 The Seleucid in this game represent Battle of Magnesia, Battle of Raphia, Daphne Parade. So, not Romanized Swords? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 How will be the armor of the cataphract? Need especial animation? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 So, not Romanized Swords?Romanized swords part of Daphne Parade, is champoion infantry at Fortress. Daphne Parade is when they make their big debut as part of tentative reforms of Seleucid army. They are the men in their prime and as big as the Silver Shields regiment (which is now 1/2 the size it once was which make me believe the core of Romanized Sword regiment come from the Silver Shields, the men were previously Silver Shields). I think they should be special, so should not be regular citizen-solder. I'll keep them as champion in my mod. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Seems legit. I have read that silver shield legionaires were used to protect the flanks of the silver sjield pikes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 How will be the armor of the cataphract? Need especial animation?I think that the current model looks like the byzantine cataphract, doesnt the Seleucid cataphract look like just a very heavy greek cav? Likea crazy armoured Thessalian cav? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 How will be the armor of the cataphract? Need especial animation?I think too the cataphract need new animation since they use both hand to wield the cavalry pike or kontos. They should have heavy charge bonus but low regular attack. This game really need to add charging for tactical depth. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I think too the cataphract need new animation since they use both hand to wield the cavalry pike or kontos. They should have heavy charge bonus but low regular attack. This game really need to add charging for tactical depth.I definately agree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 I think Cataphract on left, "Companion" on right: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 18, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 According to research on the Seleucid army; Grecogalatian mercs were a HUGE part of a Seleucid army. Thracians, Bactrians, Galatians, and Cretans were a large portion.I think Cataphract on left, "Companion" on right:Yup. Thats more accurate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 (edited) According to research on the Seleucid army; Grecogalatian mercs were a HUGE part of a Seleucid army. Thracians, Bactrians, Galatians, and Cretans were a large portion.Yup. Thats more accurate.Seleucid can have these for mercenaries (as in Delenda Est):Thracian SwordmanArab Skirmisher (very very large contingent in Daphne Parade)Cretan ArcherDahae Horse ArcherGalatian CavalryTrain them from capturable mercenary camps on map.Bactrians, Medians, and Persians, especially the Hellenized, made up a lot of the heavy cavalry, Companians and Cataphracts. Medians and Persians also provide light cavalry. Edited October 18, 2015 by wowgetoffyourcellphone 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wowgetoffyourcellphone Posted October 18, 2015 Report Share Posted October 18, 2015 Chariot also need work: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Thats a great roster. Will more mercs be involved in vanilla? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stan` Posted October 19, 2015 Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 http://wildfiregames.com/forum/index.php?showtopic=17924 Have a look at this thread, all the helmets for sele should be here The planned ones at least. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 These all look gorgeous, but is there a finished phygirian helm, the successor bearded ones, because those would look great on Chalkaspides or possibly a Kataphractoi or Hetaroi variation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Phalanx Posted October 19, 2015 Author Report Share Posted October 19, 2015 Okay, how do I upload a picture? It keeps saying that I'm not allowed to use "this type of exetention" in this community. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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