Ayakashi Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 (edited) Hi,So I drew this idea from other RTSs such as Rise of Nations, Age of Empires III and to some extant Stronghold. I feel that the inclusion of 'wealth' or basically money in one form or another can potentially add a new layer of depth and realism to this game, because lets face it: how can some of the biggest empires in history not have any money and rely so heavily on gathering like palaeolithic peoples! Of course, I'm no game developer, and this idea may sound a little stupid, or unpopular because it might drastically change how economy works, slows the pace of gameplay or is against the 'vision' of what 0AD should be. But I still think it's worth looking into...What is wealth for?To buy resources with, to train champion units, and for building wonders. During mid or late game a player may research a tech from the market that allows one to automatically purchase resources if one is lacking but needed. So say you want to train a unit but have no more metal. The tech will make it so that once you begin to train that unit, wealth will automatically be deducted in order to purchase metal.How do you get it:So all players may start accumulating wealth once a market is built. Wealth may be earned at first by selling resources and trading with other players or neutral trade outposts if a map has them. Initially, you would earn very little doing these, but after building a market a player will be able to build a special building that allows one to farm wealth. These will act just like farm where you assign workers to them and drop off the resource in a new drop off building. For example, the Mauryans may get a new spice farm where worker units will gather spices and drop them off to a processing plant where the spices became your 'wealth'. This value however, will be much lower than that of food you get from farms. Furthermore, to simulate the act of exporting special good through trade, the more you build these special 'wealth farms', you more wealth you will earn through trading. And finally, to simulate the act of looting and pillaging, you can also earn wealth by destroying enemy 'wealth farms' and markets, and when a player is defeated, all of that player's remaining wealth will be distributed among the enemy team.How can this be beneficial:- Allows for the playability of maps where certain resources are lacking. like a desert with little wood or an environment that lacks stone- Adds realism- Helps late game- More depth- More tactical possibilitiesSome thing which some may dislike:- May encourage turtling- May slow down the pace of a game- Some may not like the added complexity- May distract from the focus on warfare Edited November 15, 2014 by Ayakashi 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GunChleoc Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 This has actually been discussed before. The result way always that the developers don't want to add another resource, and they have a reason for it. Everybody seems to think of "metal" as "iron", but it is supposed to represent metal in general, including gold. The in-game icon certainly suggests that it represents iron - maybe a different icon can be found, e.g. a pair of metal/gold ingots? 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lion.Kanzen Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 May be rare resources like RON you controlled a rare resources and it gives a bonus I'll can search about how work in RoN if somebody is interesed, but work like relics in AoM given bonus to the civ. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thamlett Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Maybe the fifth resource could be used to do things faster: build/train/researchThat being said, I do prefer the different resources as opposed to WarZone's "Power" thingy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentx Posted November 15, 2014 Report Share Posted November 15, 2014 Money has multiple functions: Something you can easily carry with you and enables exchange with anybody willing to sell his goods. That's covered in the game, the market doesn't care whether you deal with tons of metal or huge amounts of grain. Every deal needs the exact same time. It is like an economy driven by bitcoins. Also, if your storehouse burns down, you loose nothing, all resources are safe and secure in an invisible vault. and you can donate to other players, faster than wall street.What's missing is a bank, which takes interests for credits, threatens every client being late with payments and naturally earns the most during a war, e.g. the Iron Bank of Braavos. I see there is now a mix of 0AD warfare and 2100AD economic transactions. But I would not trade spending time with the beautiful 3D view for a spreadsheet like GUI to have more realism. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shieldwolf23 Posted November 17, 2014 Report Share Posted November 17, 2014 Even Stannis the Mannis bows to the Bank! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracian Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 One idea: Nation wealth could be an new fresh parameter in game. Not a resource to gather, but a counter/number representing economy strength (it increases with resources gathered, new techs, units and buildings - something like GrossDomesticProduct in reality. It should also depend on each nations historical wealth - for example Gauls can not acquire wealth in same speed as Romans).Its only purpose should be meeting a condition for advancing in next phase, replacing building a number of buildings, which is current state and which looks artificial.As it would not be gathered or spent, just calculated and represented in Civic Centre, i think the idea might be considered. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
niektb Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Thats not even a bad idea. (As long as it doesn't depend on the faction) However, phases are of course about Town size (Village > Town > City). So I guess a wealth factor solely isn't a really accurate condition for phasing up. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracian Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 Thats not even a bad idea. (As long as it doesn't depend on the faction) However, phases are of course about Town size (Village > Town > City). So I guess a wealth factor solely isn't a really accurate condition for phasing up.As for faction dependance i thought about difference up to 15 percent, but it is unimportant for ideaThis is core: in my opinion it is more logical for phases to be result of an ALL inclusive pop/eco/military/building/tech increase formula called Wealth, then just a number of buildings. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentx Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 I'm leaning towards more simplicity and more sandbox. "pop/eco/military/building/tech formula" sounds like a ton of forum posts about "balancing" this formula. I would just make phases a costly tech. Then it is up to player to decide how he accumulates this wealth of resources. If someone spends an hour to advance to phase town with 5 units, well, then he earned it and it is not even unrealistic. Also, I think, if players start optimizing their game play towards a formula it restricts the game and many features remain unrecognized or unused. Not to mention the frustrating hours a newcomer must spend to grasp a rather complex formula. 1000 food and 1000 wood is hard enough to gather. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracian Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 (edited) bah, i always lean towards complexity Really do not know how complex it is to develop, but something alike is seen in AOE III. It is called experience and its purpose are Home town shipments, with some differences in acquiring from Wealth idea.quote---Not to mention the frustrating hours a newcomer must spend to grasp a rather complex formula.----this is formula for makers, and player just has to grow his town and Wealth will grow. Simple as thatI am just searching for some different solutions from those in AOE AOM EE. Like advancing system, like farms around City centre and so on.I think only original ideas differ great game from good game. If any of my ideas is to enter game, i would be proud. Edited November 22, 2014 by gracian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentx Posted November 22, 2014 Report Share Posted November 22, 2014 > If any of my ideas is to enter game, i would be proud.That's called programming and it is only for people not fearing complexity 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LordIgorIIIofKiev Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 no thankyou Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracian Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 > If any of my ideas is to enter game, i would be proud.That's called programming and it is only for people not fearing complexity Alas, i am a lawyer, not a programmer. But i am really fond for this kind of historic RTS for which i feared were abandoned (actually only genre i played ), and this project made me very happy and excited. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
agentx Posted November 23, 2014 Report Share Posted November 23, 2014 > Alas, i am a lawyer, not a programmer.That's not mutual exclusive. Actually skill sets do heavily overlap. Ever googled Code is Law? And it explains the over the top wealth formula - you want taxes in the game! Gotcha! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gracian Posted November 24, 2014 Report Share Posted November 24, 2014 Nothing alike taxes, seems as you have not read about my idea at all. Stay in peace Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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